Gonna be downvoted, because apparently this is car brain central, but the amount of mental gymnastics people will do to make red light camera enforcement “bad” is crazy.
The US’ private company control over these cameras notwithstanding.
Fuck me, so many people die on on roads, and especially at intersections.
People enjoy driving dangerously. They don’t see it as risky because they haven’t been killed in a crash yet.
Cops enforcing traffic? Bad.
Cameras enforcing traffic? Bad.
So, we agree. This is specifically a US police problem.
But many people argue against speed cameras and red light cameras in general, as if they have the right to endanger people’s lives.
Pit maneuvers are insane, and aren’t done in most other civilised countries.
Funnily enough, this is my even more preferred solution haha
I am for public transport centric cities, where you can safely walk across streets, and cities are designed for people, not cars.
I am 100% for everything you’ve said, including socialism.
It’s just I’m also living in the world as it currently is, and if we’re gonna have car-centric hell holes, I at least want to make breaking the rules have consequences, so car centrism is A BIT safer. Income based fines to boot.
Most certainly is a band-aid, though. Do agree.
But I just get pissed when dickheads think speeding isn’t a bit deal, or red-light cameras are just for revenue raising, as if driving a massive hunk of metal is a serious responsibility, not to be taken lightly.
I just don’t think having this kind of surveillance state apparatus is ever worth it I don’t want the government or private companies tracking my every move.
I don’t even own a car and I want these cameras gone.
I don’t want the government or private companies tracking my every move
This is an issue with how the cameras are operated. I’m taking issue with people complaining that these cameras exist at all.
People claiming no system could ever be privacy-preserving aren’t being very imaginative.
I agree the surveillance state is bad, but taking a picture of someone running a red light and sending them a fine is a good thing, sorry.
What’s bad is allowing cameras to passively record every single licence plate at all times and store that information. A speed or red light camera should only take a photo/video when it detects someone speeding/running a red light, and no other information should be stored.
The city I work for put up Flock cameras with specific instructions from Council that they were only to be used for identification of cars flagged in active warrants.
Within a week of their installation, police used the cameras to track the movements of someone who filed a complaint.
Sounds like a police/privacy problem, not the idea of having cameras at all.
Police should need a warrant to access the videos.
The software should not log licence plates of every single car that comes past.
The software should be open source and developed by the public sector.
I agree what’s in place in the US is a privacy nightmare, but the idea of having cameras in general isn’t fundamentally bad.
Skill issue USA, git gud.
The US’ private companies
this is entirely the problem, because they’re turning over info to ICE and other agencies and it’s being used oppressively.
Hence my carve out. I don’t support the privacy nightmare the US has.
I do support road safety cameras in general, if managed properly.
People don’t have the right to have no consequences for their dangerous behaviour.
I do support road safety cameras in general, if managed properly.
yeah that’s the rub. what municipality do you trust to manage them properly in this day and age? I’ve seen horror stories from all over the US, UK…
I fucking hate, absolutely despise the vroom vroom dickheads who make these technologies desirable. I want them to be held accountable but am not sure it’s worth the ice goons and yokel yokels who will abuse their capabilities.
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