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Johanna, CanCon variety

HEY CANADA.

MP Elizabeth May is sponsoring a petition to get Electoral Reform back in front of Parliament.

Could all of us who were utterly betrayed in 2016 when JT reneged on this please go put our electrons onto this one? yes, yes, the petitions don't mean a thing WILL happen, but there was already a good plan for this set out that got shelved. The longer we delay, the longer we risk what's happening in the US happening here.

https://www.ourcommons.ca/petitions/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-6993

Hubert Figuière Dec 2

@johannab Off course it say "PR". It's not "bring back electoral reform". It's "switch to PR"

Big. fucking. difference.

Hubert Figuière Dec 2

@johannab PR mean "Ontario will control parliament".

Johanna, CanCon variety Dec 3

@hub Not sure I see how that applies? At least not any more than it does now, because, well, Ontario is the most populous province and you (very roughly) distribute seats based on population.

We just don't fill those seats anywhere near the same proportions as voters want.

PR is a broad range of specific systems that can be designed to account for regionality and context. The point of the petition is to get something other than FPTP see-sawing us back and forth.

Johanna, CanCon variety Dec 3

I mean, really, if you're bothered about "Ontario will control parliament", Alberta should never have let Pierre Poilievre show his face there. 🙄 Toxic partisanism, parachute candidates and FPTP are all sending us down the drain.

If anything, something like MMP would disempower partisanism, and let provinces be represented by multi-party regional blocks who have to *gasp* collaborate and govern!!!! Whoa.

Hubert Figuière Dec 3

@johannab if you do a little bit of math, with PR you'd get more of PP. And Maxime Bernier would get his seat. Your proposal is like single issue voter. Not part of the solution.

Hubert Figuière Dec 3

@johannab you can remove FPTP without changing the form of representation. A run-off for example is another option, whether ranked ballot or two rounds. But you all seems to want to have more extremist in Parliament.

Anti Faisisteach Saebhiar Dec 3

@hub @johannab You are grossly misinformed. Try listening someone outside your echo chamber.

C.S.Strowbridge Dec 3

"PR is a broad range of specific systems that can be designed to account for regionality and context."

Take each province with 5 or more seats and divide them into Megaridings of five seats with a balanced remainder. (So, for example, Newfoundland and Labrador would have two Megaridings of 4 and 3 seats each.) Then do PR in each riding.

You keep regional elections, but you can't have a party win 40% of the vote in 60% of the ridings and dominate Parliament with 35% support.

C.S.Strowbridge Dec 3

"PR mean 'Ontario will control parliament'."

No more than it does now.

Captain Observant Dec 3

@johannab Thanks! So sick of 'strategic' voting.

Sir Osis of Liver 🇨🇦 🇲🇽Dec 3

The Liberals are feeling completely burned by the last time and the CPC were always completely opposed to it.

It's dead.

C.S.Strowbridge Dec 3

@Sir_Osis_of_Liver @johannab

"...and the CPC were always completely opposed to it."

Which is weird, because they would benefit from pure PR elections.

mapleleafroundel

@johannab I saw it earlier and made sure I couldn’t sign it any faster 😆

😿

Our Commons blocks #TOR browser. This is new. This is not happy making.

an actual bus Dec 3

@Amgine @johannab Glad someone else noticed, feels like so many websites have been blocking it recently :[

an actual bus Dec 3

@johannab signed, this shit is important

Lisa Fast Dec 3

@johannab Signed! electoral reform is so important. Yes I felt so very betrayed, I even went out and knocked doors for the Liberals just on the basis of the electoral reform push. Never did THAT again!

Dave Volek Dec 3

There were good political reasons Mr. Trudeau had to abandon this plan:

https://tiereddemocraticgovernance.org/blog_details.php?blog_cat_id=32&id=135

:: TDG :: Blog

C.S.Strowbridge Dec 3

@davevolek @johannab

I don't blame Trudeau for dropping it. I don't think there are very many people who really like First Past the Post, but the getting even 40% of the people to agree any one solution is next to impossible.

Dave Volek Dec 3

@csstrowbridge @johannab

Yes, it is very difficult to make these kinds of changes, especially in these times.

The USA hasn't had an amendment for 50 years.

British Columbia tried 3 times in 16 years to institute PR.

The opponents get very vocal and sound like a big majority.

I signed.

The current electoral system is obviously not working well. I look at the slow but steady improvements in #Australia since their electoral reform, and I am impressed. No, it was not a sudden miraculous shift to nirvana. There's still a lot of fighting.

But the stupidly bad politicians are, rightly, being pushed to the margins.

That's what I want. No matter who is backing this. I want the marginal-to-fringe ideologues to be recognized as marginal-to-fringe ideologues.

@johannab Thank you so much, I'll sign this as soon as I get home from work

Mark Connolly moved to @[email protected]Dec 4

@johannab @1chrisbrennan I just signed it 😀✍️