Norbert Preining

#KDE wanting to force-switch everyone to #wayland - but as usual things don't work.

#jriver Mediacenter has super problems running on Plasma/wayland, often fails to show UI, strange behavior, requires running on top of nvidia and not intel (double GPU).

Switching to #x11 and woops, all problems gone.

How many decades, and Wayland is still broken.

Nov 28 at 1:06pmWeb
Show threadDominik KummerNov 29
@norbu unfortunately Plasma Mediencenter is unmaintained. But usually it's not a big deal to polish the source up to latest KDE standard... https://invent.kde.org/unmaintained/plasma-mediacenter
Show threadNorbert PreiningNov 29
@domson it is jriver mediacenter I'm talking about
Show threadDominik KummerNov 29
@norbu I see. In this case we're are not able to fork and fix it. Hopefully the product owner did not run too far into technical debt. As we can see on AUR it's dependencies are somewhat gtk/nvidia/x11 focused: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/jriver-media-center
AUR (en) - jriver-media-center

Show threadNorbert PreiningDec 1

@domson Defining reliance on X11 as technical debt & blaming developers all around the world for not converting to #wayland that is broken since decades, that is krass.

Furthermore, according to information from the jriver forum, the application works nicely on Gnome/Wayland, which again shows that the fragmentation produced by Wayland is only for the worse.

Thus, I would strongly suggest to keep X11 a valid & fully supported option, at least for another decade or two until Wayland is stable.

Show threadDominik KummerDec 1
@norbu the Wayland source looks pretty efficient IMHO
Show threadNorbert PreiningDec 1
@domson You mean the wayland source of what? kwin? mutter?
Wayland is a protocol, nothing more. And kwin/mutter/... implement that protocol, all slightly different - that is the fragmentation I mentioned.
Show threadBitPirateDec 1
@norbu @domson X11 support for another 10 to 20 years? I can't tell if you're joking.
Show threadNorbert PreiningDec 1
@bitpirate @domson that solely depends on when Wayland gets real world ready ... They had a lot of time, decades of promises...
Show threadDominik KummerDec 1
@norbu @bitpirate I don't want to argue about this. The project was founded 2008 and I use it on a daily basis without issues, and it's a promising architecture. Even adding protocol features is properly handled by the project governance.
Show threadBitPirateDec 2

@norbu @domson Wayland and Linux, in general, will always be ready for someone, somewhere. The definition of "ready" is highly subjective 🤷‍♂️

The biggest things on my wish list are:

- xdg-session-management, also known as window restore
- Better multi-GPU support
- Further accessibility improvements

However, none of these features are preventing me from using a Wayland session daily.

Show threadDominik KummerDec 2
@bitpirate @norbu would you mind being more specific. Did you express your concrete wish at the relevant gitlab issue board?
Show threadBitPirateDec 2
@domson @norbu things are progressing on all of these. I see no need to add my rather pointless +1 😅