Thanksgiving with family
Thanksgiving with family
Both sides are not exactly the same. Unfortunately, there are similarities. Dont you want more differences?
For instance, the majority of blue states use First-past-the-post voting. Republicans are passing legislation to protect FPTP voting in states they control. Why do Blue states continue to use the voting system preferred by the republican party?
What’s more puzzling is the fact that the democratic party fully understands the flaws of FPTP. That’s why they harp and harp on 3rd party voters every election season. Yet democrats do not push to resolve the issue by passing electoral reform.
Why would the democrats support a voting system that artificially limits the number of viable political parties to two? (Alongside the republicans aka both sides)
I will leave you to draw your own conclusion.
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And still. Same same.
Like if I met someone and they said check out that loser over there. He/she’s woke and gay. I’d be cool someone sane I can talk to.
Hold on, let me consult the professional for interspecies communication…
This is my uncle, except instead of redneck, he’s Cuban and die-hard GOP. He also hates my part of the family because we caught him, his daughter, and fiancée stealing from my dying grandmother despite him being her caretaker.
He did an amazing job at caring for her while also snatching valuables because he knew he’d have to share when she died.
Reminiscent of my uncle and his care for/leeching of my grandmother, except check this out.
Last time I saw him we were talking he told me “I am racist, but know racism is wrong, and I’m trying my best to teach my kids not to be like that”
Which is super self aware; so good for you? But I just can’t wrap my mind around how you can know racism is wrong and yet continue to be racist and struggle to teach your kids to not be racist. Like…just stop being racist?
There’s a strange duality of living or coming from the South in the US, and presumably, other places with extreme prejudice. Words or phrases get used like water such that they are etched into your mind, causing an almost Pavlovian response mechanism to trigger, despite one’s true feelings.
It’s almost like a game Red light, Green light, but for awfulness. I haven’t lived in the South for decades, and on occasion, a hateful word will pop out of a dark hole in my head even though my real thoughts and actions run counter to it.
I can sort of understand his stance, but being aware of it is enough, at least to me, is more than enough to fix it. Anything other than that is intentional malice.
Except it’s not so simple. Research consistently shows that even people who believe themselves not to be prejudiced act differently based on prejudice. Having a “black” name, BIPOC, a woman, disabled, or any other “minority” affects active and attitudes subliminally.
Who do you ask a question to (the person pushing the wheelchair, or the person in the wheelchair?), sit next to on public transit (the black guy or the white woman?), friend’s teenager you ask to babysit/house-sit (the white girl or the black guy?), hire to do your gardening (the Hispanic man or the black woman?), question do you take first after your work presentation (white man or Indigenous woman?), smile at politely as you pass on the street (the unhoused?), etc.
For someone who acknowledges they are racist, these biases run even deep, and I imagine it must be mentally taxing to constantly run a filter on your actions you notice, let alone all your unconscious/automatic reactions.
As someone who’s a “woke” anti-racist, I find it challenging to even notice my biases, let alone change my actions. (When’s the last time you made eye contact and smiled at an unhoused person automatically, without noticing you’re doing it? I do so, but it’s a conscious action for me, not automatic.)
Who do you ask a question to (the person pushing the wheelchair, or the person in the wheelchair?),
-> depends on why they sit in a wheelchair and what I want to ask.
sit next to on public transit (the black guy or the white woman?)
-> I mostly stand but again, if I had to sit, it depends on the vibe I am getting from both, with - vibe considered equal - a tendency to sit near a guy to not make a woman feel uncomfortable.
, friend’s teenager you ask to babysit/house-sit (the white girl or the black guy?),
-> if color of skin or gender enter my considerations, I would let neither anywhere near a child, as I obviously do not know them nearly well enough.
hire to do your gardening (the Hispanic man or the black woman?)
-> I will not pay someone to do chores for me, doing everyday chores is what keeps people grounded. I don’t want to risk becoming something like a boomer.
, question do you take first after your work presentation (white man or Indigenous woman?),
-> whoever signaled a question first
smile at politely as you pass on the street (the unhoused?)
-> everyone that makes eye contact
-> holy shit you made that list of examples sound like it’s in any way difficult to know exactly how to behave.
I don’t disagree, but it’s like asking a woman who she would rather be alone with, an unknown man or an unknown woman. There’s also familiarity bias and having more in common. I don’t think I have to be racist or prejudice to know there will in general be less friction with a white dude vs a black dude, because that’s just most people around me. I still try and ignore that because I know it’s limiting my experiences, but there are good reasons that I wouldn’t ascribe purely to prejudice.
Also for the wheelchair example, I again think there are reasons for this. For the person in the wheelchair you often don’t know why, did they have a stroke and can’t speak? Are they ill? Or did they just hurt their leg? I’m not saying people wouldn’t be biased against the disabled even if that weren’t true, but a lot of these have legitimate reasons that aren’t just prejudice (maybe the dictionary definition but not irrational prejudice).
he’s Cuban
Some people will tell you that Communism made Cuba a better place. But I suspect a big part of it was all the worst fuckers on the island moving to Florida.
That’s not why they’re the way they are. I’ve expounded on the topic at length before on Lemmy. My family and people are tainted by The Bay of Pigs. They fled Fidel for the US and lost everything they owned in Cuba. That created the bitterness toward Communism and Socialism.
The Bay of Pigs created their hatred for the Dems. The brainwashing was a result of the freedom fighters having their US support removed last minute, leaving them to be killed or jailed. Congress voted to remove support after Kennedy promised it. The brainwashing was around Kennedy doing it intentionally when in reality it was the Republican led Congress and Senate.
They fled Fidel for the US and lost everything they owned in Cuba.
The Bay of Pigs created their hatred for the Dems.
That’s a story I’ve heard. But Dems continued to win Florida through Obama.
Seems like a lot of the Cuban Exile energy came out of their 80s era gray market role in drugs and arms dealing through the Caribbean. And that put them at the forefront of the crypto ponzi schemes under Obama, Trump, and Biden.
Now they’re just bog standard libertarian fascists.
It’s not entirely inaccurate. My great-grandfather was known as The Sugar King. On the other side of the family, my other great granddad worked for PepsiCo LatAm. They made inside deals.
My family were insanely wealthy back in Cuba until they fled here. I can trace my heritage back to the 1300s and before on that side of the family. My maternal namesake ancestor was the first mayor/alcalde of Habana and received his name “Sotolongo” from King Ferdinand & Isabella. There is a town named after him north of the Portuguese border.
It’s definitely not what the racist uncle thinks. But I can tell you he doesn’t think he is racist. He thinks he’s “saying it like it is” or something.
He probably thinks you are a lazy person who just wants free handouts from the government.
I’m Canadian which has them called the conservative party of Canada, under the guise that they are fiscally conservative.
This is of course not the case but nonetheless it’s the name they chose. It does lead to some confusion much like the National Socialist German Workers’ Party did.
Existing hierarchies and power structures.
If you can force yourself to view everything through that lens, the actions of conservatives make a lot of sense, as do the things that make them angry.
Thanksgiving with family is the worst, for many reasons.
Just let me be alone with my dogs, eating and drinking whatever I want in my quiet, clean house. Now that’s a holiday.
got to have a party dog
My wife begged to go to family gatherings the first year we were together even though I told her exactly what they were like and insisted I would rather do anything else.
It only took one holiday season for her to understand, and we no longer have to tolerate this.
The modern red-hat wearer would probably use terms like woke, libtard, communist, etc.
But, I would bet that if this same kind of confrontation happened a quarter century ago, the conservatives might be saying “He’s super irrational and emotional”. Like, I think conservatives believe that they see the world as it is, and that liberals are blind to the realities of life. They believe that liberals want to change the world, but don’t understand that it is the way it is for a good reason.
It’s similar to how when women were campaigning for the right to vote, men who didn’t support hat would say things like “I love my wife, but she’s a woman so she’s not capable of making the hard choices.” Or, “My mother is a wonderful person, and full of love, but her emotion clouds her judgment.” Or, “I love my daughter, but she’s too unstable, she jumps on any new trend, running a country requires a steady hand.”
Yes, the reality is that the racist uncle is super racist. But, it’s still worth trying to understand how they see the world. If for no other reason than it’s easier to defeat your enemy if you understand them.
It’s easy to forget that no one is the villain in their own book.
Incidentally, why I hate a lot of movies where the villain is Dr. Evil who is part of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, or something. Also why I think the Good / Evil alignment axis in D&D is bullshit.
ultra racist uncle as a man that’s simply absolutely frightened of change
Or just someone who grew up in a different time and was taught different things and doesn’t believe that what they were taught is out of date. Similarly, a kid might think they know everything but doesn’t have the wisdom and experience to know that things are more complicated than they seem on the surface. Both can be pretty obnoxious at a thanksgiving dinner table.
Take, for example, a discussion about how voting is done. The racist uncle might think that mail-in voting is a scam, and that the only way to vote should be in-person. He might not understand that poor people in cities sometimes have to wait in line for hours to vote, and that some might not be able to do that while holding down 2 jobs. He might not believe that the small number of polling places was a deliberate choice by a past government to discourage these people from voting.
But, at the same time, the kid might think that online voting is the obvious answer. The kid lives her entire life online and often votes on things. She knows a bit about encryption and has heard of blockchains and thinks that the only people against online voting are luddites who are afraid of technology. She might not understand the danger of being able to prove that you voted and who you voted for. She might not appreciate how sometimes low tech things are much harder to manipulate and fake.
So, there’s “cautious of change happening too quickly” vs. “too eager to embrace change without considering the consequences”. Everybody likes to think that they’re smack dab in the sweet spot between those two things, but everyone else is going to judge them as being too far to one side.