Randahl FinkNov 25

Here is my Ukraine peace proposal:

1. Putin is sent to The Hague.
2. Russian soldiers leave Ukraine including Crimea.
3. Russia returns all kidnapped Ukrainian children.
4. Russia releases all Ukrainian prisoners.
5. Russia pays damages for everything their war has destroyed.
6. Russia pays damages to Ukrainian families who have lost family members.
7. Russia pays damages to every person who has been tortured, abducted or otherwise criminally mistreated.
8. Ukraine becomes a member of the EU.

Show threadThierry Van Kerm

@randahl
I go for your plan but you've forgot one point:

9. Ukraine becomes a member of NATO
🙂

Nov 25 at 8:34amWeb
Show threadRandahl FinkNov 25
@thierry_van_kerm I thought about that, but I do not think this is necessary. EU countries would never allow an attack on another EU country.
Show threadThierry Van KermNov 25
@randahl You're quite optimistic. As long as European countries do not have a strong European defence system, independent from the unreliable US, I'm afraid, there is no choice but including Ukraine in NATO because of its existing constitution.
And I'm personally for an independent Europe defence system. I'm not a fan of NATO under the US leadership
Show threadᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIESNov 25

@thierry_van_kerm @randahl

there is already a EU mutual defence clause

there has been movements towards a united european defense force, and there are already embryonic organizations:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_forces_of_the_European_Union

the enshittification of the usa may lead to the irrelevancy of nato, and that would replace nato

Defence forces of the European Union - Wikipedia

Show threadThierry Van KermNov 25
@benroyce @randahl That's heading in the right direction but it needs to speed up 😉