SupposeNotNov 22
Kay Elúvian
The cause of most of the UK/USA problems: “I'd rather hurt 9 needy people than help 1 cheat and I'm willing to spend more than helping all 10 to do it”.
Nov 21 at 12:37amWeb
Show threadGoiterzan/Amygdalai LamaNov 21
@kayeluvian
.
bad is good and good is bad in the cult of punishment
Show threadNot trying hard enough 🦎Nov 21
@kayeluvian
How many apples does Jeff have left over after making a pie? 🍁
Show threadYoraNov 21

@kayeluvian "It's not about the money. It's about sending a message."

And the message is that the lower class should not have any ambitions to escape poverty.

Show threadquixoteNov 21

@kayeluvian Monkeys react the same way. It's a very deepseated response to the sense that the cheat is getting away with something.

Be nice, though, if humans could use all those cc of brain to understand when punishing the cheat is less important.

Show threadHoward Chu @ SymasNov 21
@kayeluvian all just noise to distract from the billionaires stealing everything
Show threadbigjslNov 21
@kayeluvian welcome to Australia where even the welfare system will kill you.
Show threadMax LeibmanNov 21
@kayeluvian I’ve said before of the U.S., between the right’s unwillingness to help the undeserving poor and the left’s unwillingness to help the undeserving rich, there’s no social good we can’t come together to stop.
Show threadTerryBNov 22
@kayeluvian I'd stretch it further. Replace "cheat" with "unworthy" (in their view and definition).
Show threadGraydonNov 22

@kayeluvian That's the excuse, not the cause. (Which has gone on to be repeated so much it's a whole culture, but it begins and lives because it's the excuse favored of the money.)

The cause is keeping society as a means of guarding loot, rather than achieving a common prosperity.

Show threadGraham DownsNov 23

@kayeluvian Reminds me of the old, "I'd rather 10 guilty people go free than see 1 innocent person hang" quote against capital punishment.

I think many people today are quite prepared to let 10 innocent people hang if it means removing 1 guilty person from society, permanently.

I mean, it's tough. People are angry, I get it. But life is still sacred. And everyone has the potential for redemption, no matter what they've done. :/

Show threadQybatNov 23
@kayeluvian This is why the US invented food stamps: Because charity must be earned through suffering. Only by making sure the recipients face misery and shame can they be punished for not working hard enough.
Show threadSaanichGuy 🇨🇦🇨🇦Nov 26

@kayeluvian
And allowing wealth hoarding by the super rich

Why? Do they need more? Do they help others? Tax them!

Show threadhegatherhohrnwsNov 30
@kayeluvian and the rest is "we need to address this thing i imagined at any reality-based cost"
Show threadL.E.N.Dec 1
@kayeluvian same in Germany :(