Mastodawn

Merde stunder nugget 4d ago

@atomicpoet @loops

I was just complaining about new "vine" and the hype behind it already on the commercial feeds. I'll give loops a look.

@stunder @atomicpoet @loops

Bruce Heerssen 4d ago

Since loops uses ActivityPub, you can follow loops accounts directly from your mastodon account. Of course, if you like loops and want a loops account, you should do that, too.

Takako 🐀4d ago

@atomicpoet @loops … good grief. I doubt my old vines would be among those they’re exploiting, but really? Why dwell in the past? I’ve moved on to #Loops, and happy with it.

#vine

@atomicpoet @loops Caveat: dansup is basically Jack Dorsey but less stable and with less money so maybe let's work on something else

@nev @loops Are you actually working on something else or is that just a suggestion?

@atomicpoet @loops I am not a dev, so I am not working on something else. I'm not even sure if decentralized video *can* be done effectively with ActivityPub. I am just sure as hell not supporting Loops or Pixelfed.

@nev @loops All right, so if you’re not going to suggest anything else, your advice lands as silly and inconsequential.

You’re not offering a path, you’re not building anything, and you’re not helping anyone move away from walled-garden video.

@atomicpoet @loops I personally think you're too far up your own ass to bother with, this is more of a warning for any people reading replies.

@nev @loops You mean a “warning” that discourages people from even attempting federated video? Even though it’s already been possible for years? Even though video-based instances have been running successfully that whole time—yet you’re convinced it can’t be done?

@atomicpoet I'm not "convinced it can't be done"; I'm genuinely *unsure* if federation, *as it currently works*, is the best way to publish and consume video online given the high cost of storage, the inefficiency of duplicating it across servers, and the fact that for many creators videos are much less ephemeral than short text posts and therefore migration and archiving (where fedi currently falls short) are even more important concerns.

I agree we need to break free from YouTube, Instagram, etc., but I do not think ActivityPub is necessarily the only way it can be done.

And l think people should not hurry to jump to the next shiny new platform without putting in their due diligence on who runs it, how the project is governed, and how they plan on not repeating the worst mistakes of the last platform.

@nev Thank you—this reply is much more constructive and far less dismissive than what you said earlier.

I agree that thousands of solo PeerTube instances aren’t viable. It’s not affordable, and it’s not sustainable for creators or admins.

That’s exactly why I’m advocating a different model: a federated video co-op where people pool their resources and become member-owners of the service. Collective ownership solves the storage and sustainability problem in a way scattered solo servers can’t.

This is what we’re building with the Federated Video Co-op Initiative, and the first service we plan to support is PeerTube.

Oblomov 4d ago

@atomicpoet @loops the only positive thing of this is that it's apparently also reinstating the archive of old Vines, among which there were some good stuff. But then again that would be better served by donating the content to the Internet Archive and supporting it.