On microblogging and how it normalizes fascist methods of control.

This is a post I made somewhere else and mostly just pasted below. It therefore repeats some of the points I keep making on this account.

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If we look at our lives outside of social media, we see that we interact with different people in different settings all the time. We chat with coworkers at the office about annoying customers, or talk about personal topics with family members. With very close friends we're willing to talk about personal topics, but only if we're in a more private space rather than, say, a cafe. The standards dictating our behavior change depending on the context: the people involved, our relationship with them, the setting and possibly other factors.

Microblogging is often portrayed as a mirror of society, a global space in which participants organize themselves organically and interact with each other as usual.​ Want to be part of the furry community? Just follow a bunch of furries. Sounds easy enough, and indeed that's how people use these platforms. And that's a problem because it's all a lie. You follow people as one whole package, but people are rarely all about one topic. You will see anything they post, repost and quote, regardless of whether it's the art they create or a statement about the current political climate. You will see it all in your timeline, and conversely this means that you can never be certain of who is going to see your posts. A post intended for fellow insect enthusiasts may end up in someone's timeline with a phobia of insects, who demands such posts be hidden behind a content warning. The "global town square" is a paradigm of chaos with endlessly clashing standards because it doesn't work at all the way we expect.

And now I can finally get to the crux of this post: I can see how social media normalizes certain aspects of fascism to its users, or at least I can see it very clearly with microblogging.

Communities on these platforms are loosely established by proximity with (i.e. following) other members, which leads to them only being able to exist as monoliths on the network. People use phrases such as "the _ community on Bluesky" or "furry twitter", so they understand that this is the case, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone question the implications: On other platforms or in the outside world, there can be multiple communities for the same subject with varying standards and values. You may withdraw temporarily or join a different community if you don't feel comfortable somewhere. On Bluesky, Twitter et al, this is impossible.

On the one hand, the situation you're placed in as a user feels reminiscent of being the target of surveillance. No matter who my posts are intended for, they're going to be broadcast to anyone, even people I would choose to exclude to avoid unnecessary conflict. If I write about my views on identity which some therians will appreciate and many won't, then the latter will see my posts nonetheless and feel compelled to react. They will voice their displeasure, come up with unfavorable interpretations behind my back, and maybe even show up to tell me how wrong I am. You automatically start to think about how your words might be received by this huge mass of people and maybe choose to remain silent after all.

On the other hand, the reverse is true as well: You get used to the idea that anyone's activity can be seen by you, that you're entitled to have a full view of "your" community, and that opposing undesired views is an act of preserving community values. It's easy to forget that in doing so, you may be part of a repressive majority because you leave the minority no place on the network to just be. And others will consciously take advantage of this dynamic and wield their popularity as a weapon.

#volpeonWrites
The fediverse is actually better in this regard because ActivityPub and its lack of a global view acts as an additional isolating force. Don't take this as endorsement of instances as communities, though, because they're still lacking in all the ways I described and the solution would be applicable on any kind of technology.

@areon I think this makes sense.. and it reminds me of why I miss Google+ Circles so much.

Everyone does not need to see everything. You shouldn't have to juggle multiple locked accounts.. and generally trying to make everyone rub shoulders invites more conflict than otherwise might happen.

@digitalfox @areon I never heard of Google+ Circles before. The idea sounds nice. How did that work in practice?
Aren't Lists the same, but on the reader side? Then a filter on the sender side would make more sense...
@Elrick_Winter @digitalfox Yep, circles were basically lists of people and when posting you could define which circles it was going to shared with. Made a lot of sense for the slower and longer format of Google+, but I'm sure this wouldn't work here at all
@areon
If standards can be established and most Fedi software is willing to implement them, then realizing Circle should be feasible. But I fear it may become a daydream because it would likely be very time-consuming.
@Elrick_Winter @digitalfox
@caohuak

I don't think it wouldn't work from a technical standpoint, but from a social one. The simple fact of the matter is that people overall are lazy fucks. This includes me. If circles were to be introduced, I would expect people to use the public one most of the time because most posts on here are short and have very little to say. It would take more time to organize your circles and setting the right ones than the post itself.
Hell, we did have groups on fedi via Guppe and I can count the number of times I've seen someone use them on one hand. I could also theoretically handle groups via my NodeBB instance. It wouldn't even be difficult, but it's still too much effort.

What we'd need to do instead is moving the focus to communities so that you essentially post into them instead of into your profile (i.e. the global space). It would be like mandatory circles, but it wouldn't feel like an annoying forced choice because the application would make them a more natural part of the workflow.

@digitalfox @Elrick_Winter

@areon So.. like the old work-in-progress Groups feature? Closer to the communities you describe, you could post to a group (only visible inside the group) instead of publicly. It's not on the main Mastodon roadmap at the moment, but I remember some significant progress being made…
https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/19059

(I'm ever so mildly hopeful that they simply decided to focus on other issues first instead of abandoning that entirely. But.. it's been a few years now.)
@caohuak @Elrick_Winter

@digitalfox

Yeah, it's pretty close, but with the caveat that they live alongside the global space so I have doubts about their effectiveness. It does make sense from their standpoint: my proposal would result in a fundamentally different experience, whereas Mastodon's group feature is an extension.

You can actually see how this works out by looking at Tumblr. From what I know about it, Tumblr is pretty similar to microblogging in that everything takes place in a global space and so all of the same dynamics are true for it as well.
It got communities as a first-class feature a while ago, and just like Mastodon's feature they exist alongside the existing system. And to me, it looks like most activity still takes place in the latter. Probably because that's what people are used to, maybe because communities raise the barrier ever so slightly so they feel annoying or pointless to use. Those are my guesses at least.

@Elrick_Winter @caohuak

@caohuak Some fedi software already implements circles - Streams, maybe Hubzilla too. In Mitra, "Subscribers-only" is essentially a circle.

@areon @Elrick_Winter @digitalfox

@areon hm... thinking about the "you follow people as one whole package"-part...

Isn't that *technically* also how it is with personal blogs? Like... personal blogs are (at least for me) places where the person running the blog can post about whatever they want.

Yes, some blogs can have tags to filter specific topics (or languages), but when subscribing via RSS or newsletter, you'd still have the same problem. Having multiple blogs - one for each topic - would simulate the categorization of forums, but this wouldn't be manageable.

I guess it's not always possible to give everyone the perfect feed of things.

That's often an issue I find with my blog, actually. Sometimes I'm scared that a post that isn't like the rest could "scare" some people away. I don't know the numbers, so I won't actually know whether my fear is becoming true or not.

@SteffoSpieler I think it's fine with a blog because the volume is lower and the format incentivizes a more balanced way to express yourself. I also often find that blogs do have per-category feeds (mine included) which helps with letting people choose what they're interested in.