Secret Music 🎵 [they/them]Nov 6

A reminder that it's always been this way, the manosphere is just the latest version of it

https://piefed.blahaj.zone/c/witchesvspatriarchy/p/392179/a-reminder-that-even-if-you-don-t-dye-your-hair-blue-and-pierce-your-septum-it-ll

A reminder that it's always been this way, the manosphere is just the latest version of it

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Show threadprowe45Nov 6

Ya know, I’m not so sure that the old comic is necessarily just criticizing flapper girls. The way I understand the bottom text is “These are the qualities that women of these generations need to have to make men want to marry them”, so I think it’s also saying that the young men nowadays have wacky tastes as well.

If you want to be even more charitable, which is probably undeserved I know, there’s nothing explicitly written in the comic to indicate that the artist thinks one side is necessarily better than the other, just that things are different now than they used to be. It’s possible that it was created by a young guy who thinks the stuff on the left is lame and old fashioned and the stuff listed on the right kicks ass.

Fuck the manosphere though.

Show threadshalafiNov 6

I see no criticism in the comic at all. Young men of the previous generation wanted the girl on the left, now they want the flapper. It’s just a comment on how far and how quickly society was changing 100-years ago.

Also, if the artist were making fun of the flapper they wouldn’t have drawn her as so attractive. Maybe it’s just me, but she’s leaving me hot and bothered. :)

Show threadScubus

I think thats a part of the cultural shift. Back then, the way the “flapper”(ive never heard that term, what does it mean?) was dressing was provacative, and by drawing her that way they are attempting to shame her i believe. They are listing what these women are able to do, and from the authors perspective, women NEED to be able to do things on the left. Whereas its a mans job to do the things on the right. Theyre also trying to say that the new generation can’t effectively manage a household, which I personally find hilarious, because the author clearly missed the entire point. Women were fed up with being forced into traditional wife roles. They werent interested in “running the household” any more, which the author seems to not understand.

In a way its a good thing that our society has changed so much its difficult to even tell that the authors goal was sexism. That brand of sexism is so alien now that most people dont even realize its supposed to be sexist, and instead just comes off as cool.

Nov 7 at 10:33amWeb
Show threadvithigarNov 7
“Flapper” was a 1920s subculture of women that was, well, exactly what’s pictured. The original etymology is unclear, as far as I know.
Show threadshalafiNov 8

Didn’t know the etymology, you made me look!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flapper

Sounds reasonable to me. Wonder if there’s any tie in with “chick” as slang for “girl”.

Flapper - Wikipedia

Show threadshalafiNov 8

Really telling how much you’re reading into this. I wonder what your opinion would have been if you had not seen the editorial bit at the top, only the cartoon. I feel both you and OP are looking for offense when I feel there is none to be had.

Again, if the artist wanted to portray flappers as unattractive, a poor option for a marriageable young man, he could have easily depicted her as sickly and gross. If anything, it’s almost like he’s making fun of the demure, old fashioned girl. But that’s my modern sensibilities and attractions speaking. :)

BTW, flappers were a sort of 1920s women’s subculture. Google it and hit “pictures” and you’ll instantly get the look. They were young rebels, breaking out of the female mold they had been forced into. For example, women simply did not smoke before the 20s, strictly a male thing. Not sure if this was an American culture or if the Europeans shared, or likely, started it. From what I gather, flappers were pretty common, nothing weird at the time. 🤷

Show threadScubusNov 8

Yeah, i shouldve better clarified that I was speaking from my personal suspicions, not from a place of fact. As for the inclusion of the top context, i dont think it wouldve changed anything for me. My assumption that the comic is intended to cause harm is based on my assumption of the comics age, and my knowledge of how women were genrally seen as property back then. If it were a modern comic, I would be campaigning for the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. But given the history and the likelihood that the author will not be offended since theyre dead, im not particularly incentivised to find nuance from an era of blatant disgusting behavior.

I appreciate the info on flappers. I don’t know anything about them but a couple people were telling me more. With that context, that flappers wasnt a slur or demeaning, i could much more easily see the comic going either way.

Show threadshalafiNov 8

Yes, women were treated a second-class citizens! American women couldn’t even vote until 1920. And I think that’s exactly where the artist is coming from, highlighting these changes without judgement. One more time, he could have made the flapper unattractive. (I’ll allow maybe my personal preferences are at play here. :) Long, thin, knee-high hose, cute headband, small breasts, independent, parties, sexy jewelry, yes please!) I feel you’re mixing Victorian, Gilded Age and Mauve Decade (much the same) women’s rights into the thing. The 1920s were a breakout point for women. The next advance would be women in the WWII workforce and the next being birth control in the 1960s.

Very radical times not only for women’s rights, but for all of us. Often commented that the first two decades of the 20th century was the Cambrian Explosion of mechanical items. Look at all the idiotic inventions of the time. Nuts. And we went from Kitty Hawk to dogfights in a mere 10-years!

We’d just come off our first taste of mechanized warfare, worst war in history yet lost more lives to the Spanish Flu and had just gone into Prohibition. Party hearty, but keep it on the down low.

I feel privileged as GenX. Much like 100-years ago, my generation straddled a radical divide in tech and social norms. Guess that’s the new normal though. 🤷🏻