Every time I see an anti-.ml meme I wonder, why are people so worried about people seeing .ml content? If they’re jerks, wouldn’t you want people to stumble into .ml and find out?

No one “worries” about seeing it. It’s that if you engage with anyone from, or anything posted in, a .ml, about any topic at all, you’ll eventually be hit with “capitalism causes all problems in the universe” or the rest of their standard “I’m 19 and this is deep” tankie talking points like some mandatory checklist of things they have to cram into every post or they get kicked out of the instance. It’s exhausting and pointless. No one runs around elsewhere in Lemmy making it a point to defend capitalism, so it’s just of a constant eye-roll when “I’m an independent thinker! Here’s the same thing we all say!” happens.

Edit: OOOh, seems like I struck a nerve, eh?

You clearly haven’t engaged with anything, and lol @ “independent thinker” from someone defending the dominant economic and political system, which fyi is exactly what you’re doing

The dominant economic and political system is mixed and always has been.

Lol no, it’s currently capitalism

What is capitalism?

A mode of production where private ownership of the means of production is the principle aspect of the economy, ie over at least the large firms and key industries. Socialism is where public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy, and communism is a post-socialist mode of production where all production and distribution has been collectivized and is run to suit the needs of society. Economic planning is key to socialism and communism.

What is ownership? If I say you own a car, but take it and drive it whenever I want, even if you may own it- I control it. Given that context, is modern Russia socialist or capitalist?

Modern Russia is capitalist, I don’t think anyone thinks it’s socialist anymore. The USSR dissolved over 3 decades ago. Ownership of property is protected by the state, be it public ownership or private ownership. Trying to abstract an analogy doesn’t actually work the same way at a societal level.

You said larger firms and key industries. In Russia small firms are more private, but larger firms and industries range from heavily state influenced to fully nationalized.

en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_companies_of_Russia

4/5 the top 5 companies are transparently state owned

Russia has a larger portion of state-owned industry as a holdover from the soviet era as compared to most capitalist countries, but they aren’t socialist and are dominated by capitalists. They do not have a working class state any longer.

But it does not meet the definition of capitalism you gave. I agree its also not entirely socialist. It’s almost like its not a binary, most economies are mixed. The US is also not purely capitalist.

Capitalism and socialism are determined by what’s principle. All economies have elements of private and public property, what matters is which is principle, and which class is in control. The US is capitalist, “purity” has nothing to do with that.

Except that is not the principle in either country. There are plenty of cases where the state is in principle in control, or actually in control. Russia, similar to other economies, such as fascist Italy or China is structured in such away where you can exist as a “private” company as long as you ultimately bow to the state. You could also put many of the gulf states into that club.

In China, the large firms and key industries are overwhelmingly publicly owned and planned, and the working class is in control of the state. I never once said capitalism is “when rich people” or that socialism is “when the government does stuff.”

the large firms and key industries are overwhelmingly publicly owned and planned

To not too dissimilar an extent as modern Russia

the working class is in control of the state.

Do you believe this for North Korea? If so, why not Russia?

To a very dissimilar extent. The capitalists are in charge of the Russian state, and private ownership is the principle aspect of the economy. Russia has more state-owned firms than some other capitalist countries, but that’s about it, capitalists are thoroughly in control and private ownership is dominant.

If the capitalists are in charge of the state, they are the state. So it is not privately owned, it is state owned, the state just doesn’t serve the populace. That’s not capitalism.

It’s absolutely capitalism. All capitalist countries have capitalist power over the state.