MyBrainHurtsTis a silly place
Every time I see an anti-.ml meme I wonder, why are people so worried about people seeing .ml content? If they’re jerks, wouldn’t you want people to stumble into .ml and find out?
No one “worries” about seeing it. It’s that if you engage with anyone from, or anything posted in, a .ml, about any topic at all, you’ll eventually be hit with “capitalism causes all problems in the universe” or the rest of their standard “I’m 19 and this is deep” tankie talking points like some mandatory checklist of things they have to cram into every post or they get kicked out of the instance. It’s exhausting and pointless. No one runs around elsewhere in Lemmy making it a point to defend capitalism, so it’s just of a constant eye-roll when “I’m an independent thinker! Here’s the same thing we all say!” happens.
Edit: OOOh, seems like I struck a nerve, eh?
AmnesigenicYou clearly haven’t engaged with anything, and lol @ “independent thinker” from someone defending the dominant economic and political system, which fyi is exactly what you’re doing
It’s not about the economic system, it’s the constant china glazing
It absolutely is about the economic system, and the “china glazing” is a direct response to US propaganda
So your response to people glazing the usa is glazing an authorization country. And you wonder why people don’t like ML?
No, it’s not about the economic system. Christ knows communists aren’t in short supply on lemmy, if that was true you’d see more support. Don’t kid yourself.
No, people are attacking China with misinformation created and distributed by the US specifically because their economic system represents an existential threat to our own
ah, classic ml. Genocide deniers
cnn.com/…/uyghurs-muslim-countries-china-intl
memri.org/…/saudi-palestinian-ambassadors-china-c…
washingtonpost.com/…/0a7d62b4-aa3f-11e9-86dd-d7f0…
www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/…/2003762216
So the story is that the US and our allies, who have spent decades villifying imprisoning and killing muslims, and who have repeatedly verifiably lied about similar human rights abuses to justify our foreign policy before, are the only ones who can be trusted to tell the truth about the conditions for muslims who just happen to be living in the country which is our single greatest global rival politically and economically, about whom we have an extremely obvious foreign policy motive for lying, but we’re definitely telling the truth this time and everyone else is lying? Every muslim majority nation on earth is apparently only supporting China because they’re either corrupt or too terrified to oppose them, despite the fact that the US has been completely unable to get similar results for Israel with our best efforts? And despite having the most advanced surveillance technology on earth, despite having satellites that can take high resolution pictures of any patch of dirt on earth and an unmatched intelligence network, the US has somehow been unable to obtain any incontrovertible physical evidence of this supposed genocide for years? And you believe that?
Muslim nations are defending China as it cracks down on Muslims, shattering any myths of Islamic solidarity
Last week, a number of Muslim-majority countries praised China’s human rights record, dismissing reports of a widespread crackdown on Muslims there. Experts say it’s proof of Beijing’s growing power.
You going to start whining about “white genocide” in South Africa next?
Not a strawman
You can be anti-capitalist without sucking China’s scrotum.
I’d say you can be anti-china without being homophobic/misogynistic but I don’t actually believe you’re capable lol, cry about it patriot
Patriot? You’re implying I’m from the USA? I live in Germany and have never understood the concept of patriotism, other than it being propaganda for the right. And fuck the right. What kind of a dumbfuck argument are you even trying to make? This just proves that lemmy.ml is filled with lunatics.
You don’t have to be a US citizen to do state department volunteer work
The fuck are you on about?
Are you genuinely this stupid or is playing dumb the best response you could come up with?
Sure buddy. Seek help, you mentally deranged psycho.
Homophobic and ablest, how unsurprising
Homophobic because of the scrotum comment? How’s that homophobic? Should I have gone with “without rimming China’s asshole” instead? Would that have satisfied you? I’m now 100% sure that you’re a troll and want to give socialism a bad reputation. Because if you’re not a troll, my previous comment is a genuine suggestion for you to get help.
Least juvenile anti-communist
Weak, do better
You can also critically support China’s socialist and anti-imperialist position while simultaneously criticizing the mistakes they’ve made.
However, blind critique of China and saying everything they do is authoritarian explicitly helps capitalism and hurts socialism.
Who’s talking about blindly criticizing everything China does? It’s just sickening to listen to these people glorifying China as if they do everything right. It’s just plain ridiculous.
Where have you been? Most anarkiddies on Lemmy think that China is worse than the US.
china glazing" is a direct response to US propaganda
Cringe
The dominant economic and political system is mixed and always has been.
Lol no, it’s currently capitalism
As we know, socialism is when the government does stuff, and the government does some stuff, that means its a mix of capitalism and socialism.
Everyone paying for the police that protect the institution of capital is an example of socialism.
-libs, probably
capitalism is when rich people exist then?
What is capitalism?
Are you being serious? Embarassing
You are exceptionally stupid
Cowbee [he/they]A mode of production where private ownership of the means of production is the principle aspect of the economy, ie over at least the large firms and key industries. Socialism is where public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy, and communism is a post-socialist mode of production where all production and distribution has been collectivized and is run to suit the needs of society. Economic planning is key to socialism and communism.
What is ownership? If I say you own a car, but take it and drive it whenever I want, even if you may own it- I control it. Given that context, is modern Russia socialist or capitalist?
Modern Russia is capitalist, I don’t think anyone thinks it’s socialist anymore. The USSR dissolved over 3 decades ago. Ownership of property is protected by the state, be it public ownership or private ownership. Trying to abstract an analogy doesn’t actually work the same way at a societal level.
You said larger firms and key industries. In Russia small firms are more private, but larger firms and industries range from heavily state influenced to fully nationalized.
en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_companies_of_Russia
4/5 the top 5 companies are transparently state owned
Russia has a larger portion of state-owned industry as a holdover from the soviet era as compared to most capitalist countries, but they aren’t socialist and are dominated by capitalists. They do not have a working class state any longer.
But it does not meet the definition of capitalism you gave. I agree its also not entirely socialist. It’s almost like its not a binary, most economies are mixed. The US is also not purely capitalist.
Capitalism and socialism are determined by what’s principle. All economies have elements of private and public property, what matters is which is principle, and which class is in control. The US is capitalist, “purity” has nothing to do with that.
Except that is not the principle in either country. There are plenty of cases where the state is in principle in control, or actually in control. Russia, similar to other economies, such as fascist Italy or China is structured in such away where you can exist as a “private” company as long as you ultimately bow to the state. You could also put many of the gulf states into that club.
In China, the large firms and key industries are overwhelmingly publicly owned and planned, and the working class is in control of the state. I never once said capitalism is “when rich people” or that socialism is “when the government does stuff.”
the large firms and key industries are overwhelmingly publicly owned and planned
To not too dissimilar an extent as modern Russia
the working class is in control of the state.
Do you believe this for North Korea? If so, why not Russia?
To a very dissimilar extent. The capitalists are in charge of the Russian state, and private ownership is the principle aspect of the economy. Russia has more state-owned firms than some other capitalist countries, but that’s about it, capitalists are thoroughly in control and private ownership is dominant.
If the capitalists are in charge of the state, they are the state. So it is not privately owned, it is state owned, the state just doesn’t serve the populace. That’s not capitalism.
It’s absolutely capitalism. All capitalist countries have capitalist power over the state.
Then is an absolute monarch capitalist? It is fundamentally a different system to have a state merged with corporation as compared to have them divorced. To deny that is to be intentionally obtuse.
Feudalism is its own mode of production.
haven’t engaged with anything
lmao. Not sure what’s funnier here, that you apparently don’t exist according to your comment, or that it’s basically “Nuh-UH, YOU’RE STUPID!”
lol @ “independent thinker”
Speaking of which, where exactly did I defend anything? Quote the specific text.
Here, I’ll help. I said:
No one runs around elsewhere in Lemmy making it a point to defend capitalism,
Including me.
I explained how someone else might arrive at the place where the original meme was made. People on .ml instances are not some fully complete and perfect opposite pole of the Western world. Y’all have some opinions, and that’s not even the problem. You’re super annoying with how you try and force them on people.
Like how you’re literally lying and angry about the fact that not everyone likes how you communicate. Your ideas aren’t the problem, how you talk about them is the problem.
Fun fact: Explaining the biology of a seagull to someone doesn’t make me a seagull. If I ask you to explain how a microwave works, shall you become a microwave?
Goddamn you’re dumb
That’s the highest form of endorsement I could have hoped for ;)
Your hopes are also profoundly stupid