omg, THIS
I was bordering on apoplectic when I first heard about K-12 teachers forbidding students from using Wikipedia but then teaching them to use LLMs.
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https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/hi-its-me-wikipedia-and-i-am-ready-for-your-apology
omg, THIS
I was bordering on apoplectic when I first heard about K-12 teachers forbidding students from using Wikipedia but then teaching them to use LLMs.
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https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/hi-its-me-wikipedia-and-i-am-ready-for-your-apology
I recently found myself comparing the articles about the Louisiana Purchase on Britannica (that flag-bearer of acceptability in K-12 education) and Wikipedia (still forbidden in many schools). It wasâŚilluminating.
The Britannica is better written. It flows well. It is approachable. It proceeds from broad overview to coherent detail in a way that helps meet the reader where theyâre at. The professional editorial oversight shows.
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The Wikipedia article is pretty good, but itâs overwhelming. It flows poorly. It lurches from big picture to over-specific details in a way that makes it hard to approach the article if you donât already know the material.
The cacophony of voices behind it, though well-synthesized, still shows.
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The Wikipedia article also includes this sentence in its opening paragraph:
âHowever, France only controlled a small fraction of this area, most of which was inhabited by Native Americans; effectively, for the majority of the area, the United States bought the preemptive right to obtain Indian lands by treaty or by conquest, to the exclusion of other colonial powers.â
Britannica has nothing like that. It discusses the Louisiana Purchase without a single mention that the indigenous people of North America even exist.
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The most Britannica manages to mention of what was actually in that land is this:
âMuch of the territory turned out to contain rich mineral resources, productive soil, valuable grazing land, forests, and wildlife resources of inestimable value.â
Not a single mention, AFAICT, of the fact that there were already people there.
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I remember being extremely confused about this as a kid when I first heard about the Louisiana Purchase. How could the US âpurchaseâ land that nobody from the nation had even explored? Didnât the people who live there own it? Huh?!?
Wikipedia, for all its messiness, answered Young Paulâs question. Britannica buried it.
But guess which one teachers are â˘still⢠trying to keep out of education.
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One muddle-headed way of looking at this is âoooooo Wikipedia is wooooke blah blah.â
The better way of looking at it is that Wikipedia lets people jump in and say âWhat?! No, you are totally missing something important!â It actually â˘does⢠the thing the radical centrists (falsely) claim they want: it opens itself to different perspectives.
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As humans, we â˘all⢠live our lives with our heads up our butts â including but not limited to the Britannica writers. If weâre lucky, someone will help us see what weâre missing. If weâre wise, we listen. At its best, thatâs what Wikipedia can do â and in public, at scale, for everyone.
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@inthehands This is going in my current handwritten notebook of collected quotes:
"As humans, we â˘all⢠live our lives with our heads up our butts.... If weâre lucky, someone will help us see what weâre missing. If weâre wise, we listen."
--Paul Cantrell,
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30 Oct 2025