schizoidmanOct 30

Study finds EVs quickly overcome their energy-intensive build to be cleaner than gas cars

https://lemmy.zip/post/52023958

Study finds EVs quickly overcome their energy-intensive build to be cleaner than gas cars - Lemmy.zip

>The study also estimated that gas-powered vehicles cause at least twice as much environmental damage over their lifetimes as EVs, and said the benefits of EVs can be expected to increase in coming decades as clean sources of power, such as solar and wind, are brought onto the grid.

Show threadDonjuanme
I was most shocked when I learned it was about a gallon and a half of energy (okay energy transfer isn’t 100%, maybe 2.5 gallons of energy) to fill an electric car battery, that can then travel hundreds of miles.
Oct 30 at 3:37amWeb
Show threadTommelotOct 30
Just like efficient ice cars…
Show threadAwesomeLowlanderOct 30
Kindly point out which standard build ICE cars are getting 100+ mpg?
Show threadsorghumOct 30
Not a car, but a Kawasaki KLR650 that runs on diesel got 100 mpg or close to it. Dollar for dollar, my Bolt EUV beats my old Sportster on miles per dollar though. When I talk about my EV to others, it’s always what I lead with; not even my motorcycle could beat my EV in efficiency.
Show threadAwesomeLowlanderOct 30
To make it clear for other readers - a KLR650 is a motorbike, not a car.
Show threaddrosophilaOct 30

The Volkswagen XL-1 was a plugin hybrid diesel car, and without using energy from the battery it had 120 MPG.

It was a limited run / concept car though, with a very aggressive aero design. I don’t know of any comparable electric cars off the top of my head (besides the Aptera prototypes, which are even more aggressive), but I reckon an electric car with a similar body shape would have even higher thermal efficiency.

Not that it makes that much sense to compare the thermal efficiency of an EV and ICE, unless you’re considering the combined efficiency of a fossil fuel power plant and EV. The reason being that you can’t practically turn electricity into hydrocarbon fuel (without losing a ton of energy anyway), so if your EV was less efficient than an ICE its not like you’d be going “dang, I’d be better off using these solar panels to make gasoline instead”. The important part about electric vehicles from a societal standpoint is that its vastly more practical to decarbonize electricity production than it is to produce carbon neutral motor fuel. From a personal standpoint its that it works out to more miles per dollar.

Volkswagen 1-litre car - Wikipedia

Show threadHubertManneOct 30
this sounds like comparing it to an aptera would be more apt which gets many more miles per gallon of gas equivalent. Its like 320.
Show threadTommelotOct 30
Way to move the goalpost. The statement was 2,5 gallons for 100miles. That’s quite easy nowadays
Show threadDonjuanmeOct 30
No it wasn’t, as I am the author of the original statement.
Show threadAwesomeLowlanderOct 30
The goalposts remain where they were. The statement was HUNDREDS of miles. You are the one who reduced it to a single hundred.
Show threaddependencyinjectionOct 30
ICE are notorious for losing most of the potential energy through heat. 20-30% for petrol and 30-40% for diesel.
Show threadTommelotOct 30
That’s to do with the total energy stored in petrol, that’s irrelevant for the comparison. The statement was 100 miles with 2,5 gallon of gas. That’s easy in EU
Show threadEddoWagtOct 30
The statement was hundreds, not 100. No idea how accurate the statement is though
Show threadTommelotOct 30
It wasn’t at the time I typed it. It was 100+ then
Show threadDonjuanmeOct 30
Nope, I never edited a damn thing, don’t play stupid games.
Show threadAwesomeLowlanderOct 30
You do realise edits are timestamped, yes? There’s no edit on the comment. Try again.
Show threadDonjuanmeOct 30

Nah man, the statement was 240 miles on 1.5 gallons worth of energy.

My electric blows the hell out of even the most efficient gas motors.

Show threaddependencyinjectionOct 30
Where in the EU. I’m in the UK and if you want to meet and prove it to me you can have my car. It only a 2020 A Class though.
Show threadLemmyoutofhereOct 30
Show me an ICE car with a 10 L gas tank.
Show threadTommelotOct 30
Exactly! ICE cars will easily travel much further much quicker than electric cars as of now. Try driving 1000km with both
Show threaddustycupsOct 30
How often do you travel 1000km without stopping? Why would you want to do that?
Show threadAwesomeLowlanderOct 30
China now has MW chargers that can replenish 400km in 5 minutes. Plug it in whenever you take a piss and you wouldn’t even notice the battery dropping.