Daring FireballThe Talk Show: ‘You and Frank Sinatra’
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Raouf Dool@daringfireball Blaming the victims of Google’s gross monopolistic control of the search/ad market for “depending” on Google is a choice
John Gruber@raoufdool I saw the dependence problem all along. I left gobs of money on the table, years ago, by not going with Google ads on DF. All other ad-driven sites could have done the same.
Michael Critz@daringfireball @gruber You said, “ICEBlock … couldn't be done as a web app with the same privacy control because the author of the app didn't want to have a db of people's device IDs [or] location.”
I know Aaron wrote that but it’s been called into question. Ex: https://www.theverge.com/cyber-security/707116/iceblock-data-privacy-security-android-version
Apple’s being cowardly in the face of authoritarianism but that’s tangental to the technical aspects of privacy.
@pixelscience That ICEblock is more private than a web app with the same features is not in dispute. But you have to trust Apple.
@gruber Maybe I’m missing something. How is it more private?
@gruber I thought about this for a good while. I think ICEBlock could be using CloudKit subscriptions. That would be a more private way to trigger notifications.
App onboarding -> register for CK updates to a public DB and backgroundTask.
CK record update-> triggers bg launch.
App then checks if the new report is within proximity of the user.
If the device is close enough to a new report then it schedules a local UNNotif.
That’d align with Aaron’s statements and also be more private.
Ali Alm@daringfireball @dmoren re: Apple not using Apple Pay instead of IAP for digital transactions. I don’t know for sure, but I’m assuming it’s to avoid payment processing fees from Visa/Mastercard etc for each transaction whereas with IAP, there is the benefit of adding money to your balance and using the balance for multiple transactions forcing you to use Visa/Mastercard only once in the chain of events.
Dan Moren@AliAlmo @daringfireball Apple does group transactions, which I assume minimizes its own processing fees (and those are included for devs within Apple's cut). But it would essentially let third party devs use their own payment processors...which is what they want?