Florencia (she/her)Maybe liberals just care more about their community?
thegr8goldfishConservatives think destroying the community is a flex.
conservatives think anything is a flex, they dont have a single belief they hold on to, and quite fickle, today its bad bunny, tommorow, its something else.
They are just reactionary and don’t have solid, thinking principles to guide them.
This could be a massive advantage, we could literally own them and push them into every good position we want if we all unified and understood that they have the minds of toddlers and just need good narratives and emotional engagement.
Instead, what most on the left do over and over is clash with ideology, philosophy and trying to argue about their “inconsistency.” This has never worked except with people already on the fence, which is a shame that we have essentially given up on a 3rd of our population because the required level emotional intelligence is something you get from socializing and being social.
I guess only when they do it. BLM community destruction is still something brought up often.
Yeah fake pics.
Fuck Trump though.
CatoblepasAllegedly true of country music fans too. That Venn diagram isn’t quite a circle, but it’s close.
Death Metal fans are percieved as incredibly violent, but actually are usually super nice…unless you give them a reason to get super violent. Then they’re super violent.
But after they get done lynching you, they’ll stop for coffee and tea and discuss politics and comunity news.
But do you tip generously?
UniversalBasicJusticeWhen I can afford a meal at a restaurant that has servers? Generally 20% AND I bus my own table regardless.
I went to a new, delightfully gay hairdresser recently who spent two hours on my own personal episode of Queer Eye for the Less Queer Guy. You bet your little bippy I tipped that man 25% and scheduled a cleanup appointment.
Personally, the only thing that causes me to go from “nice” to “mean” is intolerance or abuse.
Its not “nice when they aren’t mean.” It’s “nice until they/their community are legitimately threatened.”
M137They’re only perceived as incredibly violent by religious old people… Death metal (and most other heavy music) fans are generally seen as nice people, because it’s true and has ever only been so. Same goes for horror movie nuts etc.
I actually find it odd to see a comment like yours here, it’s such a well known thing that religious, conservative and mostly old people get bent out of shape and make a huge fuss about any new and/or, from their view, extreme thing. It’s been the same for centuries. Before death metal they said the same about metal, before that it was rock, hip hop, pop music, jazz etc. Same with how every new generation is seen as lazy, disrespectful, dumb etc. which we have texts about from thousands of years ago.
As said, I’m very surprised to see a comment like yours here. And it seems like you think you have a liberal (in the word definition meaning, not the current political one) and/or at least open minded view, but it’s actually not that at all. My 80yo grandmother has a more truthful and accepting view than what you seem to have. I do think you were partially very clumsy with your words though, at least I hope so, but even with that in mind it’s still surprising to see a view like this from someone in any place like here.
In my town you couldn’t even tell there had been a protest there minutes after.
explodicleMy major city is still at its typical levels of squalor.
Maybe? Absolutely liberals care more about their communities. Part of conservatism is that you don’t give a single shit about anyone but yourself. Maybe your kids. But that’s only if they’re straight and cis.
tocopherolThe right-wingers also aren’t from the place they have these rallies at usually. They drive all over the country and get bussed around for these events to make the movement seem more popular. But when there are large progressive/left protests, they are mostly from the area so they care more about not making a mess.
Both things make sense together - people care more about not making a mess were they live than were they don’t and left-wingers also think about others rather than just themselves - “do for others what you would like them to do for you” - which in this case means don’t leave your trash behind to dirty up the place were others live, whilst rightwingers are all about what’s best for themselves and in a place were they don’t live simply dropping their trash on the ground and leaving it to dirty up somebody else’s streets is less hassle for them personally than carrying their trash to the nearest trash bin.
country folk vs city folk too
(des)mosthenesspeaks volumes
MAGA is white trash
I wish we could just split the country at this point.
Literally what the controlling donor-class want more than anything.
The more we’re divided, the less chance we have of making unified actions against corporate power and capital.
Do you think they will stop at left-versus-right? Why do you think there’s so much infighting within left and right groups? Agitators are already in our midst driving up contention with rage-bait politics and they amplify the worst positions on both sides of every issue. They want every single American to be alone, inside their home, browsing a shopping feed.
Well most of project 2025 has been implemented so unless we do something soon we are trapped in a christofacist oligarchy for the foreseeable future.
Most conservatives don’t actually want the outcomes from Project 2025 either, they’re just WWE fans cheering for their side, they would switch in a heartbeat if the narrative changed, or if they started getting hurt by the policies that will strip them of healthcare, benefits and wages, and most importantly, vices.
They are not capable of looking down the road at what their choices will lead to, their minds don’t even work that way and we can’t make them work that we.
We have to understand that conservatives broadly are not some overpowered force trying to crush us all, they’re just our population’s segment of armed toddlers. They think 2-dimensionally, they don’t reason or use logic, they react to feelings and stories. We could absolutely take advantage of this and take them back, we could run this whole show if we understood that preaching to them about moral inconsistency or empathy or ideology is never going to work, that they only respond to what they immediately see and feel. The right has been very good about supplying them with these WWE stories with heroes and villains, meanwhile the left is STILL using the same rhetoric and lecturing thinking it will make a dent.
We could change the course of this country if we all got a lot more social, a lot more emotionally intelligent, and a lot less afraid of engaging with people we’ve been taught to fear and hate.
I know because I was raised conservative, I know how they think and feel and I have changed a good number of people with patience and emotional engagement.
I agree with most of what you’re saying as sad as it is the problem is to build a counter propaganda platform takes billions upon billions
We don’t need billions and billions, we need people who care and want to be involved. It takes each person who wants a better outcome to stop letting themselves get distracted by clickbait and emotional stories meant to make you feel things that keep you from wanting to engage and get involved. It takes everyone who wants a better future to get involved in their communities and engaged with local politics. Holy shit we need to get involved in local politics.
Local judges and mayors and governors and the entire city boards who are supposed to serve and represent us. In most places these seats go unchallenged. They support the whole fetid system above them, they are the reason money has been allowed to rape politics and have sent people like Trump to the seat of leadership.
I say again, there are agitators on both sides of every issue right now, trying to amplify every terrible story and bad take, so that it makes us feel overwhelmed and hopeless. I can’t stress this enough, the feeling you have of hopelessness is manufactured. You can trace back where all these feelings come from and find out which meme, which news articles, which chat you read contributed to you feeling like we’re losing everything. It doesn’t make you wrong or stupid, you are human and these systems are tuned to pry open your particular vulnerabilities.
There are some powerful things you can do. You can hold a yard-sale, and get to know your neighbors. Find out their politics, find out who represents you, find out who is involved in your town’s governing, start absorbing gossip and formulating a plan based on what your community cares about most. Find local progressive groups. Volunteer for www.progressivevictory.win and help them phone bank or other needed work to get the right people elected in key battlegrounds. You can tell your racist uncle at Thanksgiving that he’s going to lose his weed and porn instead of trying to force him to care about social issues or marginalized groups he will never encounter in his life.
Once the leadership changes, the entire attitude of a society changes. The pendulum is always swinging but over the long arc of history, it averages towards progress. We’re on a backslide but it’s far, far from hopeless. We ARE making progress, but we can’t let up and we have to be more clever and more patient.
I agree. And it goes the other way too. All the posturing by ICE and the AI-generated ragebait from the whitehouse, all just screams “what would I hate.” They’re making really bad moves, unable to understand how others think, feel, or make decisions. We could double-reverse-uno this situation and ask ourselves “what would they think we think?” It could change everything.
and a lot less afraid of engaging with people we’ve been taught to fear and hate.
I think we’re all in more trouble with that than we may realize.
I encountered an instigator on Saturday. I found myself catapulted into a cyclone of rage all because of what he chose to wear: all pro-trump gear. Not because of what he was doing, which was next to nothing, nor what he was saying which was honestly not all that rage-inducing. I couldn’t think, I couldn’t engage creatively, I couldn’t demonstrate effectively, my empathy went right out the window. I just stood there, fuming and stun-locked. And that was one guy. It’s not like me, and I didn’t used to be like this.
I couldn’t think, I couldn’t engage creatively, I couldn’t demonstrate effectively, my empathy went right out the window. I just stood there, fuming and stun-locked. And that was one guy. It’s not like me, and I didn’t used to be like this.
You are beautiful and smarter than you probably even think for recognizing and understanding this. We are ALL vulnerable to the conditions they created.
We are being poisoned, and yeah it’s pretty well set-in at this point because it’s been ramping up for decades, but it’s not natural. It’s not just some consequence of division and politics, this cloud over our ability to engage is manufactured by very powerful systems and groups. They are all around us online, they are pushing our emotional buttons, they are stripping away our attention spans, they are feeding our brains narratives against our will and better reasoning. They do it on the left and right, they take the worst sides of every issue and make us unable to think clearly. It’s strategic exploitation of our human vulnerabilities and tools like AI are going to make it vastly more efficient.
We can’t get the right to understand this is happening, they don’t have minds that work with abstractions and larger issues than what’s in front of them, but we CAN learn to recognize our own feelings and reinforce our sovereignty and use our better minds to change their feelings.
As tired as the analogy is, there is a very real “waking up from the matrix” feeling to realizing how our own brains and feelings have been altered by forces outside of ourselves.
I’m sorry but that is objectively untrue.
48% of project 2025 has been done, which hardly qualifies as “most”
Speak to me at 51%
「黃家駒 Wong Ka Kui」 | (aka: 鳳凰院 凶真 Hououin Kyouma)There are still more than 3 years left. Don’t let your guard down until tyranny falls.
48% since the end of January and you’re not concerned? It’s moving at lightning speed
It was a joke,.I was just being pedantic
Got the message
hitstun
pticrixfeels relevant : xcancel.com/funder/status/893678995404988417
I’m in the middle of watching the Some More News episode about Stephen Miller, and it’s the first thing I thought of seeing the post
The Making Of Stephen Miller - SOME MORE NEWS
jimmuxTrump is ultra liberal which is why he’s bailing out is ultra liberal buddy Milei. Stop calling leftists liberal
Part of gaining political maturity is understanding how different sets of people use different terminology and just adapting and using their language to make points. You will never change populations by yourself by butting heads, instead you will push people away.
Maybe, but political literacy means recognizing that Trump and American liberals share most of their ideals, e.g. freedom as economic ‘freedom’, or sanctity of private property. In practice, both rather fight the poor than poverty and regarding racist police their solutions only differ in the amount of training they see fit for cops.
But maybe political maturity is understanding that most people (not just in the US) are politically illiterate.
The big difference here is that the average liberal american thinks they’re on the side of the poor, they believe themselves to be good people who want to see good outcomes, but will be the first people to show up at their town hall to protest the new low-income housing or rehab center.
The large swath of America’s white middle class, which are mainly liberals definitionally, will scowl and feel awful about ICE deporting hard-working migrants on television, but then clutch their purses to their chests and hit their power-locks when they see someone with dark skin walking down their side of the sidewalk.
But our challenge, if we’re politically motivated to make change and create better outcomes, is to have the social acumen to know that if you point out this hypocrisy and inconsistency, you will actually push them further right. Our Overton Window is in a weird place right now, it’s not just all the way right, it’s broken into pieces. We have to understand that labels mean things to most people, and most people don’t understand that they aren’t being progressive because they have good intentions.
This is the paradox and frustration about wanting a better world and better outcomes, which is the harder you try to correct behavior and habits, the more you’re seen as a bad guy trying to control others. But also, if you don’t and just let people be what they want, the right will also suck them further right.
Which is why real progressive activism requires a kind of parental strategy where what you know and what you tell people are different in tone and direction. You make people feel a certain way because you want them to do come to the right conclusion themselves, otherwise they will resist change.
Good effort post. How about starting to call leftist action leftist? If you tell people they are leftists if they oppose the current administrations course the term becomes less scary.
Treat intentions similar - caring for less fortunate people? Leftist. Worrying about working people’s rights? Leftist. Praising acts of solidarity? Leftist. Once people realize their intentions are not liberal but actually leftist, they might actually break away from blue MAGA and start becoming a real opposition to the current fascist government.
JoeBigelowMan you’re smoking some good shit brother!
tetris11Tens of thousands of people and not a single scrap of litter accidentally strewn from the various people with their musical fanfare. I’m not even sure Japan is that good
Tens of thousands of people who had a clear motivation to come across as upstanding citizens, and who generally had a political leaning towards environmentalism. I can believe they didn’t leave trash behind.
See, that’s the kind of thing that can happen when you value community and work together. You can have significant and nice shared resources. It’s not a tragedy of the commons race to the bottom you get with rugged individualists and/or selfish children who see trash on the ground and say “that’s bad, the person who did that needs to clean it up and be punished” and then it sits there and rots.
And yeah there are WAY more important things to worry about than how various groups do or do not litter. But it is an illustrative example of the different priorities and values of the groups. It seems like a topic for discussion as we live in a world where some people are still somehow just finding out that this Trump character might not a be all above board.
But for something so minor why are you so insistent upon pushing it away and disregarding it? That’s two different justifications now for doing so (these are cherry picked, ok maybe not but it doesn’t matter).
The community on my street is amazing, we check in on each other, we volunteer at the local park, and often host each other for big events. We pick up trash routinely, but due to the nature of wind and trash bags never being fully sealed, there is always something blowing around in a corner to pick up.
That photo is pristine. If that reflects an ideal for you, then power to us both. But if that reflects an actual reality to you, then I need to stop responding to comments in this sub.
Because blindly believing a meme caption just reinforces the views of your bubble. It’s not great.
I would absolutely love for this to be true, but it weirds me out that the only image attribution is on one of the Charlie Kirk images. Literally any semblance of a source would be nice to reassure that this isn’t an old shot from a movie shoot with the No Kings logo overlaid.
ObliviousEnlightenmentBecause hard policy doesn’t win elections, it doesn’t own them, and of the last ten years have taught us anything; that is the new meta
While it is a just comparison of 2 single data points, that doesnt necessarily mean they aren’t representative of the whole picture. (Not saying they are representative, either)
Generally, cherry picking for something like this would be combing through data sets and finding outliers to point to that aren’t representative of the data as a whole.
It appears they just took random photos of each sides most recent event. Now, maybe they did cherry pick photos and the Republicans, say, only trashed that one area, or the no kings’ photo is, say, the one area they didnt trash/ a photo of after the city cleaned up after them. (personally, I would have preferred a photo with protesters in it, not an after the fact shot)
But without evidence to the contrary, IMO, this can’t be called cherry picking.
I believe Hillary said it best. Deplorables.
Sure bring up that ghoul to make a point.
That whole shitstain of a country needs to go up in flames.
Glad you got Trump.
That whole shitstain of a country needs to go up in flames.
Glad you got Trump.
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