silence7Then they fight you: How the ‘No Kings’ protests are winning America | A massive turnout of 7 million and a panicked White House showed Saturday why the No Kings protests matter, a lot.
Good for you, America!
The day was not only nonviolent but also historic. The estimated nearly 7 million who showed up across America marked the second-largest one-day protest in U.S. history, surpassed only by a very different type of event, the first Earth Day in 1970. That was roughly 40% largest than the first “No Kings” event in June, and in talking to protesters Saturday it seemed the turnout was only boosted by the right-wing rhetoric, that anti-Trump protesters must be some kind of domestic terrorists.
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The official White House reaction, as related to one reporter, was “Who cares?” But guess what? They clearly cared, a lot. You could see that in the week leading up to the demonstration, with the increasingly insane rhetoric and warnings about “antifa” — a tiny, unorganized sliver of young rock-throwing radicals who were nowhere in sight Saturday — that aimed to neutralize the reality that millions of everyday Americans are sick of seeing a masked secret police snatch people off the streets.
In a maneuver that North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un must have surely applauded, Trump’s Pentagon fired some artillery shells over a closed I-5 in the heart of Southern California’s anti-Trump rally as the protests were taking place — ostensibly to mark the 250th anniversary of the armed forces, but alsoas a reminder of the regime’s military might as Trump weighs invoking the Insurrection Act.
All good, but saying that antifa is a group of rock-throwing radicals is dumb at best and plays into the fascist’s narrative.
Yeah, what the hell was that? Don’t let the magat fuckheads redefine words anymore than they already have. There is not, nor should there ever be, a stain on being anti-fascist.
yeah I hate this bullshit throwing around antifa like its a particular group. they tried to do the same thing with black lives matter. even funnier that anti-anti-facists want to talk about the people protesting them as being anti-american.
And a sign we shouldn’t be fighting for America anymore, we should be fighting for something better.
mintiefreshKeep fighting the good fight America.
Trump posting a video dropping bombs from his asshole on the protests shows that he does, in fact, care a lot about the protest so he is doing as ridiculous of a thing as he can to counteract it…
Wait…what? I don’t even want to do a quick search to see if that’s true. I suppose if true, it can’t really be surprising.
henfredemarsSadly, yes this is true. It’s official feces content from the POTUS.
I wish these protests carried any amount of influence with this administration, but it doesn’t.
It’s all just a bunch of ideological masturbation up until the guillotines and gallows start earning some miles.
Can we just stop it policing people’s acts of resistance? At this point I’m more upset at the people doing absolutely nothing but post stuff online.
I find it useful. My block list has grown massively. Its a good litmus test for myself on peoples whos opinions are not for me.
Did they write you a ticket or something? Pretty sure they are trying to participate in a conversation. If you don’t like it, don’t participate. There are plenty of other comments to reply to.
When you say that if I don’t like it I shouldn’t participate in the conversation it makes me think you’re against negative opinions. But that can’t be the case because you’re defending someone expressing a negative opinion about someone else’s protest. This makes me think there is a double standard at play here.
Touché
Fuck yea brother/sister/whatever
Enjoy! It’s an amazing show
The important part is that the protests are carrying weight with other people who care. The protests have been getting bigger and bigger, and when someone who cares about the cause but doesn’t show up sees this it gives them more imperative to show up too next time. The larger the protests get, the more likely that it will lead to a general strike, which is what will make a very big difference. Once the billionaires and centimillionaires genuinely feel like their profits are being threatened, they’ll pull the administration’s strings.
wavebeamThose people did more than you this weekend. I’m sorry that trying to inspire change amounts to masturbation for you.
When you instigate violent change with a purely positive outcome and no ground-swell behind you, we’ll make you a statue. Until then, these protests will continue.
I won’t assume anything on your part, but this weekend was my third No King’s this year.
I stand by my statement.
LOL “it’s all ideological masturbation and I’ve done it 3 times in 10 months, therefore I’m better than you!!!”
stop trying to use such big words to try to hide your hypocrisy.
I do agree to a point, most of the attendees of these protests are overwhelmingly neoliberals who believe we can just vote this all away, but to be honest at this point it’s not about the ideologies at play. it’s about ensuring the crowds are big enough so all the people who feel like they’re going insane and watching the world dissolve around them know that they’re not alone.
policing ideologies to say “you’re not pure enough in thought to aid our cause” is extremely counterproductive, but I assume you already know that (and if the only thing you’ve done in the past 10 months is attend these protests that you yourself think are bullshit, I’m going to assume you don’t care either).
The people that oppose this administration don’t want anarchy and guillotines though. They want integrity, law, order, justice, etc. The teeth of the anti-MAGA movement will have to come through at least semi-legitimate means, i.e., I think it will have to come through the authority of state governments.
And we see state governments become increasingly aggressive against this administration. These marches embolden the mayors and governors that oppose MAGA; thru say that the people are with them.
I 110% guarantee you the White House is not panicking. He and his little Nazi party of buffoons have zero fears of anyone or anything getting in their way.
They think they’re above the law. And one that is above the law has no fear because he has limitless power to do with as he pleases.
A dictator is always afraid of the people the rule over. Law is not something they fear. It is lawlessness. Protests is the way to show them a glimpse of that.
Lawlessness is their upper hand, but when they realize their victims are willing to die or kill things change. They do have pawns that will die for them though so it’s not so simple.
People need to accept this.
They’ve seen zero drop in the money they’re pocketing or stealing.
They’re seeing zero ramifications for their actions.
So they’ll keep doing what they’re doing.
Dude what. Last presidency he got scared during the anti-abortion law protests of May 2019 and installed new fencing around the Whitehouse that are roughly twice as high.
apnews.com/united-states-government-f0dae0200dd94…
Then he had additional fencing and concrete barriers installed around the already huge fences during the BLM/George Floyd protests, and when one of those fences was partially pushed down (still leaving a 14 foot fence protecting the Whitehouse, he ran off and hid in a bunker.
Then he spent the next weeks telling everyone he’s very brave and did not go to a bunker. While Whitehouse leakers confirmed he did.
vanityfair.com/…/trump-is-literally-building-a-wa…
He’s repeatedly shown he’s a scared little piss-baby, especially of protesters.
Construction to begin soon on taller White House fence
The White House is getting a new fence, almost double its current height, to help keep intruders out. The Secret Service says the $64 million construction project will begin soon on what eventually will be a 13-foot, 1-inch (3.96-meter) fence, including wider and stronger pickets. The existing fence stands about 6-feet, 6 inches (1.83 meters) tall.
Thewhite house panicked so hard the President of the united states posted a video of homself with a crown on shitting on the protesters. Think about that for two seconds.
That’s not panicking, that’s laughing and making a joke of the whole thing.
Sassinake!@MourningDove @slaneesh_is_right
it's disgusting trolling.
lennybirdI think both are kind of true. They have more power than perhaps any administration in history given how stacked the Supreme Court is and how subservient the entire GOP is to Trump and the billionaire apparatus.
That said, I DO sense a panic of how so many months have gone by and midterms are right around the corner. With Trump’s approval-ratings plummeting to Jimmy Carter levels already and their lack of justifying consolidation of power while Democrats are energized — IF they don’t succeed by next midterms, GOP are going to lose pretty big.
Prop 50 Yes in California is a must as well.
Only an absolute collapse in support for the GOP will affect them. The SCOTUS is going to rule against section 2 of the voting rights act and then southern states are going to jerrymander another 12 seats away from the Dems. That’s not insurmountable, but they will need a national lead of 6% in the popular vote just to break even.
That should be the point of protests. Reminding them that the government should work for the people, and that they will be held accountable for what they did. Because if you don’t, no one else will
They’re not going to be held accountable. There is no scenario where they do.
Convincing you that they’re untouchable is their game. But they’re just humans like you or I.
But how can you expect to bring about change with this attitude? “There’s no way we can make a republic, there’s no scenario where the king will allow it”
They are untouchable. They may lose power. In a fantasy scenario, they may even be barred from office. But there is no scenario, even in fantasy, where these rich fucks will spend a single day in prison. The best we can hope for is them dying from old age, or quietly fading away.
Just like Mussolini right?
Mate you’re either astroturfing or brainwashed. This collective thought of “nothing will ever happen” is what’s creating the scenario where nothing ever happens. Don’t you see that? Of course they will not be held accountable, if you don’t hold them accountable. wtf?
OBJECTION!What’s the plan, then?
What on earth is that response? You’re taking offense because I wanted to hear your strategy? That’s crazy. You should be glad that someone’s seeking out your perspective.
For example, since you deflected it back to me, I’m happy to share my thoughts.
The left is a long way from posing a real threat to the powers that be. It is poorly organized, poorly armed, and lacks clarity of vision. So long as that’s the case, the left doesn’t have much negotiating power, if push comes to shove, it’d be slaughtered, and there is little choice but to back down because of that. Whatever other approaches are taken, it is important to account for the possibility of enemies using extreme measures, for example, in the event of a general strike, the state might just start killing striking workers until they go back to work. And indeed, they may even force the left’s hand without waiting for something like that.
The best way to avoid the other side using a nuclear option is through deterrence. When the left has a “nuclear option” of it’s own, then there will be reason to come to the table and negotiate with the peaceful side, and tactics such as a general strike can be deployed more effectively and with less risk.
Of course, the logistics of such a “nuclear option” take time to set up, and, God willing, it should only serve to increase negotiating power and shouldn’t develop into a full-fledged conflict - meaning that we need to be realistic about what we can bargain for. Trump being almost 80, may well be dead before we are really in a position to achieve anything, and there will likely be more important priorities at that time than holding him accountable.
In short: buy a gun, join an org, and read and discuss theory.
I am not taking offense at anything, I’m not sure how you read that. But to be fair I also misread your comment, I did not catch a genuine interest in my perspective but more of a “tell me how things can happen”, which I did not give and reflected back not to be an ass, but because I’m not american. Sharing my opinion on what practical steps the american people should take feels vacuous, and would be uneducated/misinformed even in good faith. I’m not on the ground there, so I don’t have a real sense of the situation or power to influence it (aside from arguing on the internet).
I do really appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts. For what it’s worth, I think they’re very lucid and thought-out considerations that I share fully. I am glad that I got to read this comment instead of one more “we just need to reach 3.5%!!!” :)
You think he’s abiding?
Many of them, yes. For instance, there have been zero National Guard illegally deployed to Portland while the challenges wend their way through the courts. That could change, of course. But the Trump regime has clearly deemed it in their interest to listen to the courts on this point, at least for the time being.
The next national protest should proactively disappear all ICE agents.
Make ICE fear putting boots on the ground.
Make people fear joining ICE.
That’s a real start.