Daring FireballOct 15, 2025
‘Halo Fund Announces Strategic Secondary Investment in 1Password’
https://daringfireball.net/linked/2025/10/15/halo-fund-1password
‘Halo Fund Announces Strategic Secondary Investment in 1Password’

Link to: https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20251009156976/en/Halo-Fund-Announces-Strategic-Secondary-Investment-in-1Password

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Show threadKaveh

@daringfireball @gruber I read about the enshittification of 1Password from time to time, but my experience hasn’t borne that out. The new apps, even if electron over rust, are fast. Bugs are getting fixed and experiences are being made smoother on macOS and iOS (and Linux/Windows!) and they support shared vaults for our family.

So I’m genuinely curious what is actually becoming shitty here aside from some prejudice against electron.

Oct 15, 2025 at 2:48pmIvory for iOS
Show threadKev RodgersOct 15, 2025
@kavehv @daringfireball @gruber My experience with 1Password for both home and office usage has been positive. There isn’t a competitive service that offers the same features I’ve grown accustomed to. I know the Apple Passwords app is good, but it doesn’t meet my needs.
Show threadKavehOct 15, 2025

@spacegrass @daringfireball @gruber Same. I even set up my daughter in 1Password and turned off Passwords.app. Frankly, what @marcoarment points out is 100% true here. If the app is a priority for the company, it will be done and done well (see Sonos vs Homepods).

1Password is a priority for…1Password. The apps are smooth, fast, and well-integrated into their target platforms (which include Linux, something Apple doesn't care about). What is actually shitty about them?

Show threadKev RodgersFeb 25
@kavehv @daringfireball @gruber I changed my mind about keeping 1Password after their recent “updating the cost” email. I’d have stuck with it if they wrote “shit is more expensive now, so we’re raising our prices” instead of the “…continue investing in innovation and the world-class security you expect” bullshit.
Show threadKavehFeb 25
@spacegrass @daringfireball @gruber Do you really trust Apple (of today) enough to move all your passwords there and give up any hope of portability across platforms though? I can point to so many other things in the OSes that roll out then atrophy (like Screen Time) that they lose any sort of competitive edge in how they work. I'm not about to trust my passwords to that. Plus I use linux at work and 1Password works well there (Apple does not).
Show threadKavehFeb 25
@spacegrass @daringfireball @gruber It might be a different story if Apple didn't lock you in. I don't want my passwords/identities locked into the ecosystem, even if I'm deeply invested elsewhere. If Apple actually competed on the quality of their services rather than utilize lock-in to keep you, I might trust them more with stuff like this.
Show threadKev RodgersFeb 26
@kavehv @gruber For work, I will absolutley continue to use 1Password; it's indispensable. For home, Apple passwords will be good enough. I considered switching in the past, but I was too lazy to migrate everything.
Show threadJohn GruberFeb 25
@kavehv @spacegrass There's an Export feature right there:
Show threadKavehFeb 25

@gruber @spacegrass Yes, but it's not an easy migration. It also will not move your passkeys. I realize this isn't much better than other password managers as there isn't really a secure/standard way to transfer this sensitive info between programs.

It's also not a tenable solution if you need to use an OS Apple will not support (or support in a first-class way). If I decide to switch to linux tomorrow, I only need to install 1Password there and I'm done. The same is not true with Apple.

Show threadKavehFeb 25

@gruber @spacegrass In this way (and in a few others) 1Password still offers a better *service* than Apple Passwords.

IMHO, a service should compete on the value it provides to its users, not lock you into the service owner's platform. Apple should be so confident in their services *and* their software/hardware that they should be comfortable with their customers accessing them on *any* device (I'd love to be able to get iMessage or iCloud Shared Photo Libraries on Android for family)