Brent SimmonsThere is no CEO of RSS.
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Dave Winer โ๏ธso f'ing true. there's no owner, or shareholders, or billionaires.
if you want a billionaire-proof network, it's the best thing around.
Dave Peck@davew @brentsimmons I fully agree, then remember that weโre also here speaking ActivityPubโฆ
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Time will tell.
For now, activity pub isn't better than email and we all know how that went.
Yes in theory (technically), one can self host, but in practice, email is gmail & co.
People lose their accounts because mismanaged or other unexpected instance shutdowns all the time ...and mastodon.social is already large and growing.
RSS/Atom or rather JSON Feed on the other hand lends itself to peer to peer by design ๐
Lip@serapath @davepeck @davew @brentsimmons it seems so hard to build such protocols, hopefully one day there will be ne one enabling people importing all data from all accessible platforms and can be improved flexibly and easily
@iamlip @davepeck @davew @brentsimmons
yeah its definitely hard.
my bet is still on `dat`
its is peer to peer build around the core concept of a "data feed" and its amazing what system evolves from that concept.
https://docs.pears.com
or
https://bare.pears.com
or
`npx pear run pear://runtime`
to get started.
if systems are all built this way, importing or even being in charge of ones data is trivial.
all other non p2p system dont create data soverign users, thus need import adapters
Cybarbie@serapath @davepeck @davew @brentsimmons
TFW people don't get your email when you self host but your inbox is full of spam when you don't ๐
@nf3xn @davepeck @davew @brentsimmons
i heard there are ways to set up your self hosted email in ways that it works.
@whitequark shared how its possible, but still. Its too hard for normies and hasnt happened as a mass phenomena in the past 30 years.
@serapath @davepeck @davew @brentsimmons @whitequark The issue is not something that an admin can fix. Big Email misroute traffic from self-hosted servers.
Bitslingers-R-Us@davew @nf3xn @whitequark @serapath @davepeck @brentsimmons It can't be fixed insofar as we have no control over or leverage on Google and Microsoft.
It can easily be fixed by smarthosting outgoing email through a reputable mail service.
It's worth mentioning that the problem is entirely with free email services (Outlook, Gmail), and selfhosting has less and less to do with the problem these days. You can have your email get put in to spam even if you're using Google, too, and even if you've a long history of correspondence with someone.
It can easily be fixed by smarthosting outgoing email through a reputable mail service.
It's worth mentioning that the problem is entirely with free email services (Outlook, Gmail), and selfhosting has less and less to do with the problem these days. You can have your email get put in to spam even if you're using Google, too, and even if you've a long history of correspondence with someone.
โงโฆCatherineโฆโง@nf3xn @serapath @davepeck @davew @brentsimmons my email went from "gmail always puts it into spam" to "gmail almost never puts it into spam" after i made some changes to my mail server. I dispute that it is "something that an admin [can't] fix"
@whitequark @nf3xn @davepeck @davew @brentsimmons
yeah, i was surprised reading about your emaip self hosting experience, but i take it works.
Still, your explanation alone and all the different parts that need to be configured seem dauting and i still doubt it will change what happened over the last 30+ years, namely that the masses dont self host, hence why we need peer to peer for everything, because using p2p apps is automatically self hosting too
shironeko@serapath @whitequark @nf3xn @davepeck @davew @brentsimmons I would say selfhosting email is easier than ever, I've been selfhosting mine for a few years now and so far the biggest problem has been signup fields that don't accept 4 letter TLDs (yeah stupid).
People has never mass self hosted email though? it's always something that's provided by some organization be it your ISP or whatever.
People has never mass self hosted email though? it's always something that's provided by some organization be it your ISP or whatever.
@shironeko @brentsimmons @davepeck @davew @nf3xn @whitequark
Exactly. I do think some sort of p2p alternative to email can at some point succeed. It wont be compatible with legacy email, but p2p has the enormous benefit that everyone self hosts, because that is how p2p works :-)
@serapath @brentsimmons @davepeck @davew @nf3xn @whitequark something like https://briarproject.org/ ?
@shironeko @brentsimmons @davepeck @davew @nf3xn @whitequark
yeah, all of them.
I bets on @dat_ecosystem mostly. `dat` started in 2013 and it came incredibly far and a lot of dat-ecosystem projects exist.
The holepunch company for example maintains a lot of the stack and has built a fabulous p2p messenger on top of it (sadly closed source for now), but it supports fipe sharing, video and audio calls and much more.
Eventually they plan to open source the messenger too
@shironeko @brentsimmons @davepeck @davew @nf3xn @whitequark @dat_ecosystem
you can build on it following either
`npx pear run pear://runtime` if you have nodejs installed
or you can checkout
Bruce Heerssen 
@nf3xn @serapath @davepeck @davew @brentsimmons @whitequark
As far as I'm aware, my email gets delivered despite being self-hosted. Have not had any problems in that regard.
Of course, I am literally a sample size of one. And I'm fortunate enough to have the skill, time, and money to make it happen. (It doesn't require a lot of any of that, but none of it is zero.)
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