deaf_fishOct 8

What is a Wrecker according to Hexbear mods?

https://midwest.social/post/36730554

What is a Wrecker according to Hexbear mods? - midwest.social

cross-posted from: https://midwest.social/post/36729179 [https://midwest.social/post/36729179] > I got banded from Hexbear. Not that I am super sad about it. More confused… > > > This is the post that did me in: https://midwest.social/post/36684138/20435030 [https://midwest.social/post/36684138/20435030] > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Nothing will change if you don’t believe it can. If all this does is delay fascism for a day. That’s one less day of people dying and suffering for really stupid and avoidable reasons. Seriously, what’s the point of your comment? Are you trying to get me bummed out and not vote? by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > mod > Removed Comment > > Yes, I agree. This is simply a stop gap measure. I’m not saying to stop doing all the other stuff like protesting and organizing. Voting is just one afternoon. For some people it’s really easy to do, it’s way easier than other stuff that you’re probably already doing. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > I thought roe v wade was gone because Obama did kick Mitch McConnell in the nutz for not doing his job and appointing his supreme Court judge. What did Biden do to row v wade? by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Cuz I don’t need to engage with your material. This is sooooooo simple. Just vote for the guy who is less fascist. Are you confused about whether fascism is bad? Guess what? It’s bad! Lots of innocent people dying bad. Are you confused about which presidential candidate is the least fascist? That would be Biden. You should vote for him. Everyone should vote for him in this next election. This is your 100th chance to not come off as a fascist supporter. You better take it! by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Define failed practice? What do you think would have happened if Biden had lost the last election to Trump? Four years of Trump almost tore this country to pieces. I’m sorry fighting is hard. I’m not asking you to be pro-democrat. I’m just asking you not to doomer everyone into not voting at all. Guess what? Fascists vote and they organize and they don’t get doomer about this stuff. If you’re not going to help then get out of the way. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > First of all, you’re confusing me with somebody who likes the Democrats. I don’t. I don’t like either party. Second of all, why the hell are you acting like there’s a third choice between a Democrat and Republican? When was the last time an independent candidate came even close to winning? We currently only have two choices for president. I beg of you or anyone else that is reading this. Please vote for the less fascist one. Again, I don’t like this. But acting like there’s absolutely no difference between Biden and Trump is the the dumbest thing I’ve heard in a long time. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > I know! So simple right? by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Banned deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: west purginia, mountain mama (lib :farquaad-point:) > > > mod > Removed Comment > > If you have the numbers to start a violent revolution. You have the numbers to do reform. Unless you plan on dying a glorious death with no change in outcome. I’m not saying electoralism is the only answer. Keep protesting. Keep organizing. Keep spreading information. Do you know what would give you more time to build that revolutionary army? If Biden was president for four more years. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > I don’t need to prove that Biden opposes fascism. I just have to prove the other candidate would be more fascist. We only have two choices. This should be really simple. Pick the one that’s less fascist. Why is this so hard for you? Are you unsure which president would cause a less fascist outcome between Biden and Trump? This is really simple, it’s Biden, vote Biden! Voting is one afternoon. Waiting in a line. Filling out a ballot. I know it sucks. Your feelings are valid. Vote Biden because fascism is bad. Do you know who’s not going to vote Biden. All the fascists. They’re going to be voting for whoever the Republican candidate is. Do you know who they really want? They want Hitler2 for president. Do you know what they’re not doing? Complaining about that and doomering over it. This is incredibly simple. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Biden is better than a fascist. Seriously, what’s the point of your comment? Are you trying to get me to give up start licking that boot? by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Biden is better than a fascist. Seriously, what’s the point of your comment? Are you trying to get me to give up start licking that boot? by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > You just want to shoot people. You want people to die due to fascism. So that you can LARP as a revolutionary soldier. Listen if a violent revolution was going to be successful. Liberal democracy would have turned the USA into socialism by now. If you’re going to start a revolution, you have to make sure you have more than 50% of the population on your side, at a minimum. The more population on your side the less death will occur. If more than 50% of the population agrees with you, democracy will work just fine. No need to murder bone. Unless you want to. In which case none of this conversation makes any difference. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Yes, do all of that! And vote! Voting is pretty easy compared to the other things on that list. Do what you can. Do all of them if you can. I don’t like the Democrats. I don’t like saying that we should support the Democrats. But the Democrats are right now the least fascist of the two parties that we have to pick between. I am acting smug, because it appears to me this group has some whiny babies who can’t vote. Seriously, how can you fight fascists in the street and then just not vote? I think voting would be really easy compared to fighting fascists. Convincing cucked liberals to vote for Biden is a nice baby step for them. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Okay if you believe all that then shut up. Die quietly and let everyone else die fighting. All you’re doing is spread doomer bullshit that isn’t helping anyone. If you want to stop being miserable. Join the fight! by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Banned deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > from the community Labour > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > expires: 2 years ago > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Wow, this whole post is psy op. Vote Biden people! The only other option will be a fascist or fascist enabler. I don’t like it anymore than you do. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: No.

Show threadTheLastHero [he/him]Oct 8

That would be Biden. You should vote for him. Everyone should vote for him in this next election.

Okay, I followed your advice and I voted for biden so hard last election, though I thought it was kind of weird how I needed to write him in.

Show threaddeaf_fishOct 8

Those discussions were before the the switch to Harris. Although the same logic still applies.

The mods of this place are rightly nudging me not to rehash political discussions. If you want to continue this conversion, feel free to DM me.

Show threadTheLastHero [he/him]Oct 8

nah I don’t really want to talk about electoralism either. We do that enough amongst ourselves lol

But the probably the reason you were labeled a wrecker is saying stuff like “You just want to shoot people. You want people to die due to fascism” and “This is your 100th chance to not come off as a fascist supporter.” “this whole post is psy op”

like there you are, you’re lying and slandering us. all you’re missing is a part where you call us Russian bots or Cee-Cee-Pee agents. We’ve heard it all. We don’t need or want to hear it again. It’s boring and annoying to us.

Here’s how I see your core problem, if you will allow me to try to read your mind and put some words in your mouth like you did to my comrades a couple years ago: you liberals understandably feel powerless about this decay affecting the nation, the world. Your politicians, political systems, who could supposedly do something about it seem completely unaccountable and inaccessible, or if they aren’t they usually only provide lame excuses. Now you don’t have to accept this framing they provide, we don’t, but you largely do.

But this feeling of powerlessness and anxiety you have is still there, so to ameliorate this you target those who are accessible, the annoying tankies who love arguing on the internet, thinking if you sway us into “getting with the program” and supporting Kamala you are doing something productive, coalition building, deradicalizing, whatever you want to call it to feel good- you are taking back control.

But this is a fiction, what you and I are doing here, posting, its basically entertainment with a dash of socializing. Nothing we are saying here matters to the enormous forces governing all of our lives, if hexbear.net dropped an offical endorsement for the democrats Trump would still be president. Even trump himself, for all his dictatorial ambitions and constant media presence, is pissing in the wind of forces beyond his control- history, economics, civilizational inertia. No one can control them, we’re all along for the ride. Read some Marxist theory if you want the specifics.

We posters on hexbear try not to worry about this lack of control, and just want to have a good time with our friends while we’re here, that’s what social media is for. And fun for us also includes dogpiling on randoms drifting in and scolding us about it. But when it becomes not fun anymore and they crash out, just calling us slurs or fascists, etc we just ban them and get back to it. You don’t have to worry about we think about you, and you don’t have to think we’re funny, but I certainly think that our way is more personally fulfilling than engaging in the same argument again and again on twitter yelling at funhouse mirrors and bots.

TLDR: wrecking is killing the vibe, we’re all just posting, don’t let it stress you out.

Show threaddeaf_fishOct 8

Great, sorry for wrecking the vibe. The language used against me seemed to indicate there was something more serious going on. Even now I am having several more nuanced discussions with others at Hexbear.

As for calling people fascist I just want to lay this popular reply from the post I got banned from: midwest.social/post/36684138/20421459

Social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism.

So it kind of seems like Hexbear can give it, but not take it.

Zohran Mamdani statement on the two year anniversary of October 7, 2023. - midwest.social

Tweet [https://x.com/ZohranKMamdani/status/1975550702056538512] >Zohran’s latest statement is disgraceful. It hides behind the language of morality while reinforcing the same frameworks that dehumanize Palestinians. >He begins by calling October 7 a “horrific war crime,” centering Israeli suffering as the starting point of the story. That framing erases the decades of siege, occupation, and systematic killing that led to that day. It makes Palestinian resistance seem like senseless violence rather than a response to unending colonization. >He follows with mourning for Gaza, but only after reaffirming that Palestinian resistance must first be condemned. This is what passes for “balance” in liberal politics: treating a colonized people’s fight for survival as a moral failure while describing their annihilation as a humanitarian tragedy. >By calling for “diplomacy, not war crimes,” Zohran implies that both sides are equally guilty, softening the reality of a one-sided genocide into the language of “conflict.” He refuses to name power, which is the easiest way to protect it. >Invoking “universal human rights” sounds principled, but it empties the struggle of its political meaning. Palestinians are not asking for abstract ideals. They are demanding freedom, return, and liberation from a settler state built on their destruction. >At a time when Gaza is being erased, statements like this do not show courage. They show complicity. By Nerdeen Kiswani [https://x.com/NerdeenKiswani/status/1975560866557841882]

Show threadTheLastHero [he/him]

so idk if you know but that’s mutation of a famous quote from the Comintern, almost 100 years old now. I assume you’re probably a social democrat since that’s pretty much the left edge of acceptable politics in the USA. If you are, you should consider doing a little reading about the historically famous, deathly feud between Communists and Social Democrats. The German KPD and SPD and Gustav Noske specifically. You may understand where this apparently confusing hostility comes from after that, because a lot of clueless social dems assume that because they are the “closest to the left choice” that communists should at least like them more than we do.

What they’re saying is basically, “these reformist politicians would also kill us, like the fascists would, if it meant they got to hold office, you can’t trust them”, and if you’ve seen the way some of the modern liberal-left talks about “tankies” I don’t think it should be too surprising that we are still saying this. However in real life I’ve not seen this impede very much cooperation anymore, mostly because real social democrats (not new laborite neoliberal imperialists) are only slightly more relevant than communists in the west anymore

You also dove right into the middle of one of our ongoing “struggle sessions” re: Zohran (big debate), and we are in there dishing it out to each other and those can get a pretty hot. Would not recommend wading into the deep end like that if you don’t know what you’re getting into, not my favorite thing to do personally, but others like debating more than me

Social fascism - Wikipedia

Oct 8 at 5:45pmWeb
Show threaddeaf_fishOct 8
@RedWizard replied with a similar post to yours at the same time. So I don’t want to create duplications: midwest.social/post/36730554/20440762
What is a Wrecker according to Hexbear mods? - midwest.social

cross-posted from: https://midwest.social/post/36729179 [https://midwest.social/post/36729179] > I got banded from Hexbear. Not that I am super sad about it. More confused… > > > This is the post that did me in: https://midwest.social/post/36684138/20435030 [https://midwest.social/post/36684138/20435030] > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Nothing will change if you don’t believe it can. If all this does is delay fascism for a day. That’s one less day of people dying and suffering for really stupid and avoidable reasons. Seriously, what’s the point of your comment? Are you trying to get me bummed out and not vote? by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > mod > Removed Comment > > Yes, I agree. This is simply a stop gap measure. I’m not saying to stop doing all the other stuff like protesting and organizing. Voting is just one afternoon. For some people it’s really easy to do, it’s way easier than other stuff that you’re probably already doing. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > I thought roe v wade was gone because Obama did kick Mitch McConnell in the nutz for not doing his job and appointing his supreme Court judge. What did Biden do to row v wade? by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Cuz I don’t need to engage with your material. This is sooooooo simple. Just vote for the guy who is less fascist. Are you confused about whether fascism is bad? Guess what? It’s bad! Lots of innocent people dying bad. Are you confused about which presidential candidate is the least fascist? That would be Biden. You should vote for him. Everyone should vote for him in this next election. This is your 100th chance to not come off as a fascist supporter. You better take it! by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Define failed practice? What do you think would have happened if Biden had lost the last election to Trump? Four years of Trump almost tore this country to pieces. I’m sorry fighting is hard. I’m not asking you to be pro-democrat. I’m just asking you not to doomer everyone into not voting at all. Guess what? Fascists vote and they organize and they don’t get doomer about this stuff. If you’re not going to help then get out of the way. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > First of all, you’re confusing me with somebody who likes the Democrats. I don’t. I don’t like either party. Second of all, why the hell are you acting like there’s a third choice between a Democrat and Republican? When was the last time an independent candidate came even close to winning? We currently only have two choices for president. I beg of you or anyone else that is reading this. Please vote for the less fascist one. Again, I don’t like this. But acting like there’s absolutely no difference between Biden and Trump is the the dumbest thing I’ve heard in a long time. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > I know! So simple right? by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Banned deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: west purginia, mountain mama (lib :farquaad-point:) > > > mod > Removed Comment > > If you have the numbers to start a violent revolution. You have the numbers to do reform. Unless you plan on dying a glorious death with no change in outcome. I’m not saying electoralism is the only answer. Keep protesting. Keep organizing. Keep spreading information. Do you know what would give you more time to build that revolutionary army? If Biden was president for four more years. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > I don’t need to prove that Biden opposes fascism. I just have to prove the other candidate would be more fascist. We only have two choices. This should be really simple. Pick the one that’s less fascist. Why is this so hard for you? Are you unsure which president would cause a less fascist outcome between Biden and Trump? This is really simple, it’s Biden, vote Biden! Voting is one afternoon. Waiting in a line. Filling out a ballot. I know it sucks. Your feelings are valid. Vote Biden because fascism is bad. Do you know who’s not going to vote Biden. All the fascists. They’re going to be voting for whoever the Republican candidate is. Do you know who they really want? They want Hitler2 for president. Do you know what they’re not doing? Complaining about that and doomering over it. This is incredibly simple. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Biden is better than a fascist. Seriously, what’s the point of your comment? Are you trying to get me to give up start licking that boot? by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Biden is better than a fascist. Seriously, what’s the point of your comment? Are you trying to get me to give up start licking that boot? by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > You just want to shoot people. You want people to die due to fascism. So that you can LARP as a revolutionary soldier. Listen if a violent revolution was going to be successful. Liberal democracy would have turned the USA into socialism by now. If you’re going to start a revolution, you have to make sure you have more than 50% of the population on your side, at a minimum. The more population on your side the less death will occur. If more than 50% of the population agrees with you, democracy will work just fine. No need to murder bone. Unless you want to. In which case none of this conversation makes any difference. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Yes, do all of that! And vote! Voting is pretty easy compared to the other things on that list. Do what you can. Do all of them if you can. I don’t like the Democrats. I don’t like saying that we should support the Democrats. But the Democrats are right now the least fascist of the two parties that we have to pick between. I am acting smug, because it appears to me this group has some whiny babies who can’t vote. Seriously, how can you fight fascists in the street and then just not vote? I think voting would be really easy compared to fighting fascists. Convincing cucked liberals to vote for Biden is a nice baby step for them. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Okay if you believe all that then shut up. Die quietly and let everyone else die fighting. All you’re doing is spread doomer bullshit that isn’t helping anyone. If you want to stop being miserable. Join the fight! by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Banned deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > from the community Labour > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > expires: 2 years ago > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Wow, this whole post is psy op. Vote Biden people! The only other option will be a fascist or fascist enabler. I don’t like it anymore than you do. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: No.