deaf_fish

What is a Wrecker according to Hexbear mods?

https://midwest.social/post/36730554

What is a Wrecker according to Hexbear mods? - midwest.social

cross-posted from: https://midwest.social/post/36729179 [https://midwest.social/post/36729179] > I got banded from Hexbear. Not that I am super sad about it. More confused… > > > This is the post that did me in: https://midwest.social/post/36684138/20435030 [https://midwest.social/post/36684138/20435030] > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Nothing will change if you don’t believe it can. If all this does is delay fascism for a day. That’s one less day of people dying and suffering for really stupid and avoidable reasons. Seriously, what’s the point of your comment? Are you trying to get me bummed out and not vote? by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > mod > Removed Comment > > Yes, I agree. This is simply a stop gap measure. I’m not saying to stop doing all the other stuff like protesting and organizing. Voting is just one afternoon. For some people it’s really easy to do, it’s way easier than other stuff that you’re probably already doing. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > I thought roe v wade was gone because Obama did kick Mitch McConnell in the nutz for not doing his job and appointing his supreme Court judge. What did Biden do to row v wade? by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Cuz I don’t need to engage with your material. This is sooooooo simple. Just vote for the guy who is less fascist. Are you confused about whether fascism is bad? Guess what? It’s bad! Lots of innocent people dying bad. Are you confused about which presidential candidate is the least fascist? That would be Biden. You should vote for him. Everyone should vote for him in this next election. This is your 100th chance to not come off as a fascist supporter. You better take it! by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Define failed practice? What do you think would have happened if Biden had lost the last election to Trump? Four years of Trump almost tore this country to pieces. I’m sorry fighting is hard. I’m not asking you to be pro-democrat. I’m just asking you not to doomer everyone into not voting at all. Guess what? Fascists vote and they organize and they don’t get doomer about this stuff. If you’re not going to help then get out of the way. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > First of all, you’re confusing me with somebody who likes the Democrats. I don’t. I don’t like either party. Second of all, why the hell are you acting like there’s a third choice between a Democrat and Republican? When was the last time an independent candidate came even close to winning? We currently only have two choices for president. I beg of you or anyone else that is reading this. Please vote for the less fascist one. Again, I don’t like this. But acting like there’s absolutely no difference between Biden and Trump is the the dumbest thing I’ve heard in a long time. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > I know! So simple right? by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Banned deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: west purginia, mountain mama (lib :farquaad-point:) > > > mod > Removed Comment > > If you have the numbers to start a violent revolution. You have the numbers to do reform. Unless you plan on dying a glorious death with no change in outcome. I’m not saying electoralism is the only answer. Keep protesting. Keep organizing. Keep spreading information. Do you know what would give you more time to build that revolutionary army? If Biden was president for four more years. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > I don’t need to prove that Biden opposes fascism. I just have to prove the other candidate would be more fascist. We only have two choices. This should be really simple. Pick the one that’s less fascist. Why is this so hard for you? Are you unsure which president would cause a less fascist outcome between Biden and Trump? This is really simple, it’s Biden, vote Biden! Voting is one afternoon. Waiting in a line. Filling out a ballot. I know it sucks. Your feelings are valid. Vote Biden because fascism is bad. Do you know who’s not going to vote Biden. All the fascists. They’re going to be voting for whoever the Republican candidate is. Do you know who they really want? They want Hitler2 for president. Do you know what they’re not doing? Complaining about that and doomering over it. This is incredibly simple. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Biden is better than a fascist. Seriously, what’s the point of your comment? Are you trying to get me to give up start licking that boot? by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Biden is better than a fascist. Seriously, what’s the point of your comment? Are you trying to get me to give up start licking that boot? by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > You just want to shoot people. You want people to die due to fascism. So that you can LARP as a revolutionary soldier. Listen if a violent revolution was going to be successful. Liberal democracy would have turned the USA into socialism by now. If you’re going to start a revolution, you have to make sure you have more than 50% of the population on your side, at a minimum. The more population on your side the less death will occur. If more than 50% of the population agrees with you, democracy will work just fine. No need to murder bone. Unless you want to. In which case none of this conversation makes any difference. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Yes, do all of that! And vote! Voting is pretty easy compared to the other things on that list. Do what you can. Do all of them if you can. I don’t like the Democrats. I don’t like saying that we should support the Democrats. But the Democrats are right now the least fascist of the two parties that we have to pick between. I am acting smug, because it appears to me this group has some whiny babies who can’t vote. Seriously, how can you fight fascists in the street and then just not vote? I think voting would be really easy compared to fighting fascists. Convincing cucked liberals to vote for Biden is a nice baby step for them. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Okay if you believe all that then shut up. Die quietly and let everyone else die fighting. All you’re doing is spread doomer bullshit that isn’t helping anyone. If you want to stop being miserable. Join the fight! by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Banned deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > from the community Labour > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > expires: 2 years ago > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Wow, this whole post is psy op. Vote Biden people! The only other option will be a fascist or fascist enabler. I don’t like it anymore than you do. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: No.

Oct 8, 2025 at 2:20pmWeb
Show threadSkilurosOct 8, 2025

Brah, these are some bored teenagers roleplaying as communists online. Case in point: no one comes with random BS like “wrecker” IRL.

The one who are not teenagers are demagogues who are shitposting.

Show threaddeaf_fishOct 8, 2025
I can’t upvote this enough.
Show threadfrongtOct 8, 2025
Yup. Actual activists are organizing and taking action. Online shitposters are slacktivists at best.
Show threadTollana1234567Oct 9, 2025
i call them inactivists.
Show threadAljernonOct 9, 2025
In Anarchist circles, there are some people who worry about theory and there are some people who worry about keeping the community pantry stocked. The Communists I see online tend to devote most of their attention to theory.
Show threaddb0Oct 8, 2025
Technically a “Wrecker” is someone who goes into communities to “wreck” them in some way. Alienate people from each other, disrupt cohesion and so on. Unfortunately hexbears tend to stretch that meaning in order to ban people who say things they don’t like. For example they’ve labeled myself as a “wrecker” because I reject “leftist unity” (i.e. unity between marxist-leninists and anarchists). Don’t take it too seriously, they just wanted to ban you from their comms, and that was the only excuse they could find because they don’t like pro-electoral politic arguments.
Show threaddeaf_fishOct 8, 2025
Thanks for the detailed comment. I don’t plan on taking it too seriously. The comments that weren’t banned show that it isn’t a serious place. At least I have a good reason not to interact with that server anymore. The only reason I comment there is in the hopes that some see the hypocrisy and get to a better place.
Show threadcm0002Oct 8, 2025
Surprised they didn’t label it “Debate pervert”, that’s another one I seen them throw around for similar reasons lol
Show threaddb0Oct 8, 2025
It would be rich seeing them label people like that given their debate pervertry in anarchist meme comms.
Show threadrobot_dog_with_gun [they/them]Oct 8, 2025

I reject “leftist unity” (i.e. unity between marxist-leninists and anarchists).

sucks to suck

Show threadTollana1234567Oct 9, 2025
so basically a firehose of falesehood situation.
Show threadRenLinwoodOct 9, 2025
They labeled you correctly
Show threadRenLinwoodOct 10, 2025
Chickenshit mod
Show threadAljernonOct 9, 2025

Anarchists: Workers don’t control the means of production if the government does

MLs: Ban Hammer

Show threadRenLinwoodOct 10, 2025
Fair, a government controlled by and run for the workers is a possibility, and banning a person who refuses to be honest about that isn’t unreasonable
Show threadAljernonOct 10, 2025
MLs are just Right Wingers who fell in love with collectivization. They will never willingly let the workers control the means of production.
Show threadBrainInABoxOct 10, 2025
Pure idealism
Show threadRenLinwoodOct 10, 2025
As opposed to the idea of a purely non-heirarchal/horizontally self-organized non-organization accomplishing anything at all? This is called projection
Show threadBrainInABoxOct 11, 2025
I’m not an anarchist
Show threadRenLinwoodOct 11, 2025
So your alternatives are?
Show threadBrainInABoxOct 11, 2025
I’m an ML
Show threadRenLinwoodOct 11, 2025
Am I misunderstanding your intent here or are you saying you’re an ML that thinks the idea of a worker owned government controlling the means of production is idealistic?
Show threadRenLinwoodOct 10, 2025
Anything’s possible when you’re politically illiterate! Seriously though good luck with that
Show threadAljernonOct 10, 2025
What is Right Wing? The belief that a societal elite is best suited to rule. The further right, the narrower the societal elite. How does that not describe Lenin? Bolsheviks were a betrayal of the revolution.
Show threadRenLinwoodOct 11, 2025
Anything’s possible when you make shit up kiddo
Show threadAljernonOct 11, 2025
Then stop making stuff up shrug
Show threadRenLinwoodOct 11, 2025
Pure projection
Show threadBrainInABoxOct 11, 2025
So any system with any form of leadership at all is right wing then, including most forms of anarchism
Show threadAljernonOct 15, 2025
Its not the presence of leadership but how steep and strict the hierarchy is and who has control over who gets to be leadership. The whole village coming together to decide who’s on the town council is Leftist, selecting counselors from candidates vetted by the existing power structure is Right Wing.
Show threadBrainInABoxOct 15, 2025

How do you measure “steepness of hierarchy”? And what slope angle does it change from being left wing to right?

Does the whole village have to form a consensus for it to be leftist? What if people disagree with the town council or that their should even be a town council? If a group of armed fascists funded by a massive super power demand to be on the council is right wing to stop them?

Show threadSomething Burger 🍔Oct 10, 2025
It’s because the anarchists are actually liberals! (Liberal means any leftist opinion)
Show threadAljernonOct 10, 2025
Are you sure Liberal doesn’t mean follower of Liberal Democracy?
Show threadSomething Burger 🍔Oct 10, 2025
According to tankies, any leftist opinion critical of their own support for capitalism is liberalism. This allows them to discard every criticism without thinking too hard.
Show threadgoatOct 8, 2025
A convenient term that can be applied to anyone they don’t like
Show threadFuckyWucky [none/use name]Oct 8, 2025

Nothing will change if you don’t believe it can. If all this does is delay fascism for a day. That’s one less day of people dying and suffering for really stupid and avoidable reasons. Seriously, what’s the point of your comment? Are you trying to get me bummed out and not vote? by deaf_fish @[email protected]

Individual votes have no value. It is Biden and Kamala’s fault for not campaigning on good policies. Hexbear’s (or leftist) stance on whether or not to vote for him doesn’t change this.

Also, Biden is directly responsible for deaths of hundreds of thousands of people by aiding Israel, and Democrats are responsible for many more domestic deaths by the way of social murder especially considering they had majority control. That Trump may kill more doesn’t change this fact.

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Show threaddeaf_fishOct 8, 2025

So there is some missing context. The posters I was replying to had the position that voting was completely worthless. So much so, that even discussing it was a waist of time.

Yeah, as a leftist, I don’t defend Biden. In fact I think, for the most part, Democrats are controlled opposition, and given time will become more fascist thanks to capital.

My argument isn’t that Democrats will make things better. It is they will make things worse at a slower pace compared to republicans. Giving more time to organize.

Voting is like bringing a knife to a battle with assault rifles. Yeah, it probably isn’t going to be useful, but if it is all you can carry, it is better than nothing. And until they figure out how to make skin cut resistant, there is always a possibility of doing some damage.

That being said, in a very morbid way, the damage that the second Trump term is doing is very public and the admiration is doing a bad job covering it up. An the leftist organization that has been happening so far, has been good, but not enough. So, it might turn out that the accelerationist position has the least loss of life. I think the acceleration bet is still too rich for my blood. To much of a chance for things to go very badly.

Show threaddb0Oct 8, 2025
This thread is not the place to rehash electoralism.
Show threaddeaf_fishOct 8, 2025
You are right. @FuckyWucky if you want to continue to talk about it, feel free to DM me.
Show threadAssortedBiscuits [they/them]Oct 8, 2025

So there is some missing context. The posters I was replying to had the position that voting was completely worthless. So much so, that even discussing it was a waist of time.

It really is in the US. If you don’t live in a select pool of like 5 states, your vote doesn’t mean shit. This, of course, pertains to the presidential election, but that’s what your posts are all about. Parts of Hexbear were hyped about Mamdani. The biggest difference is that the office he’s running doesn’t count their votes through something as thoroughly undemocratic-by-design as the electoral college. And Hexbear in general is far more receptive of other elections outside the US. Most people on Hexbear were initially hyped about Corbyn’s new party or how the French left won the most seats in the 2024 French legislative elections. So it’s not even particularly true that Hexbear is against electoralism as you’re characterizing as.

My argument isn’t that Democrats will make things better. It is they will make things worse at a slower pace compared to republicans. Giving more time to organize.

Various people on Hexbear have also made this same argument. In other words, Democrats are not the lesser evil, but the weaker opponent that’s easier to topple should they be in power. But it falls apart since most US progressives do not recognize the Democrats as the enemy, so people do not organize as readily under the Democrats as you yourself have admitted. This is the tragedy of the US left: they recognize the Republicans as the enemy, but they do not recognize the Democrats as the enemy. Consequently, they will always be blindsided by the machinations of the Democrats.

When Trump was in power, people rightfully saw his administration and the US government in general as the enemy, saw the carceral system for what it was, and cheered the masses of people taking to the streets and burning a police precinct to the ground. Even white people were beginning to warm up to BLM.

But then Biden came to power and people let their guard down. When their guard was down, the police “reform” was enacted where police departments got record funding and cop cities began popping up to make sure a George Floyd uprising will never happen again. And now that Trump is back, people have their guard up again.

Why do you think that ICE monitoring app only came about when Trump is president? ICE existed under Biden and there has been no technological breakthrough that would’ve made an ICE monitoring app impossible in 2020. It’s because Trump is president which lit a fire on many people’s asses, including an otherwise apolitical app developer who told himself, “I can’t just stand on the sidelines and watch ICE brutalize my friends and neighbors. I have to do something.” Had he been more politically conscious, he would’ve know that ICE was already brutalizing his friends and neighbors under Biden and would’ve been part of a political organization which would’ve steered his app development to not make terrible design choices like making it only be available on iPhones because he has a false idea of Android development and doesn’t understand basic FOSS concepts in general.

Show threaddeaf_fishOct 8, 2025
Thank you for the reply. I am being rightfully nudged by the mods to not rehash the arguments. I will reply to your DMs.
Show threadAssortedBiscuits [they/them]Oct 8, 2025

I will reply to your DMs.

Please don’t. No offense, but I greatly dislike communicating through DMs.

Show threaddeaf_fishOct 8, 2025
Fair, please ignore my DM then. Have a good one!
Show threaddeaf_fishOct 8, 2025
Just so this gets to you: midwest.social/post/36730554/20437344
What is a Wrecker according to Hexbear mods? - midwest.social

cross-posted from: https://midwest.social/post/36729179 [https://midwest.social/post/36729179] > I got banded from Hexbear. Not that I am super sad about it. More confused… > > > This is the post that did me in: https://midwest.social/post/36684138/20435030 [https://midwest.social/post/36684138/20435030] > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Nothing will change if you don’t believe it can. If all this does is delay fascism for a day. That’s one less day of people dying and suffering for really stupid and avoidable reasons. Seriously, what’s the point of your comment? Are you trying to get me bummed out and not vote? by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > mod > Removed Comment > > Yes, I agree. This is simply a stop gap measure. I’m not saying to stop doing all the other stuff like protesting and organizing. Voting is just one afternoon. For some people it’s really easy to do, it’s way easier than other stuff that you’re probably already doing. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > I thought roe v wade was gone because Obama did kick Mitch McConnell in the nutz for not doing his job and appointing his supreme Court judge. What did Biden do to row v wade? by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Cuz I don’t need to engage with your material. This is sooooooo simple. Just vote for the guy who is less fascist. Are you confused about whether fascism is bad? Guess what? It’s bad! Lots of innocent people dying bad. Are you confused about which presidential candidate is the least fascist? That would be Biden. You should vote for him. Everyone should vote for him in this next election. This is your 100th chance to not come off as a fascist supporter. You better take it! by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Define failed practice? What do you think would have happened if Biden had lost the last election to Trump? Four years of Trump almost tore this country to pieces. I’m sorry fighting is hard. I’m not asking you to be pro-democrat. I’m just asking you not to doomer everyone into not voting at all. Guess what? Fascists vote and they organize and they don’t get doomer about this stuff. If you’re not going to help then get out of the way. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > First of all, you’re confusing me with somebody who likes the Democrats. I don’t. I don’t like either party. Second of all, why the hell are you acting like there’s a third choice between a Democrat and Republican? When was the last time an independent candidate came even close to winning? We currently only have two choices for president. I beg of you or anyone else that is reading this. Please vote for the less fascist one. Again, I don’t like this. But acting like there’s absolutely no difference between Biden and Trump is the the dumbest thing I’ve heard in a long time. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > I know! So simple right? by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Banned deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: west purginia, mountain mama (lib :farquaad-point:) > > > mod > Removed Comment > > If you have the numbers to start a violent revolution. You have the numbers to do reform. Unless you plan on dying a glorious death with no change in outcome. I’m not saying electoralism is the only answer. Keep protesting. Keep organizing. Keep spreading information. Do you know what would give you more time to build that revolutionary army? If Biden was president for four more years. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > I don’t need to prove that Biden opposes fascism. I just have to prove the other candidate would be more fascist. We only have two choices. This should be really simple. Pick the one that’s less fascist. Why is this so hard for you? Are you unsure which president would cause a less fascist outcome between Biden and Trump? This is really simple, it’s Biden, vote Biden! Voting is one afternoon. Waiting in a line. Filling out a ballot. I know it sucks. Your feelings are valid. Vote Biden because fascism is bad. Do you know who’s not going to vote Biden. All the fascists. They’re going to be voting for whoever the Republican candidate is. Do you know who they really want? They want Hitler2 for president. Do you know what they’re not doing? Complaining about that and doomering over it. This is incredibly simple. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Biden is better than a fascist. Seriously, what’s the point of your comment? Are you trying to get me to give up start licking that boot? by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Biden is better than a fascist. Seriously, what’s the point of your comment? Are you trying to get me to give up start licking that boot? by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > You just want to shoot people. You want people to die due to fascism. So that you can LARP as a revolutionary soldier. Listen if a violent revolution was going to be successful. Liberal democracy would have turned the USA into socialism by now. If you’re going to start a revolution, you have to make sure you have more than 50% of the population on your side, at a minimum. The more population on your side the less death will occur. If more than 50% of the population agrees with you, democracy will work just fine. No need to murder bone. Unless you want to. In which case none of this conversation makes any difference. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Yes, do all of that! And vote! Voting is pretty easy compared to the other things on that list. Do what you can. Do all of them if you can. I don’t like the Democrats. I don’t like saying that we should support the Democrats. But the Democrats are right now the least fascist of the two parties that we have to pick between. I am acting smug, because it appears to me this group has some whiny babies who can’t vote. Seriously, how can you fight fascists in the street and then just not vote? I think voting would be really easy compared to fighting fascists. Convincing cucked liberals to vote for Biden is a nice baby step for them. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Okay if you believe all that then shut up. Die quietly and let everyone else die fighting. All you’re doing is spread doomer bullshit that isn’t helping anyone. If you want to stop being miserable. Join the fight! by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Banned deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > from the community Labour > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > expires: 2 years ago > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Wow, this whole post is psy op. Vote Biden people! The only other option will be a fascist or fascist enabler. I don’t like it anymore than you do. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: No.

Show threadrobot_dog_with_gun [they/them]Oct 8, 2025
i wouldn’t call you a wrecker i’d call you a fucking genocide apologist
Show threaddeaf_fishOct 8, 2025

i’d call you a fucking genocide apologist

Genocide is bad, that has always been my stance. I think Israel is bad for doing a genocide against the Palestinians. How am I a genocide apologist?

I believe I said as much in the post I got banned for, did I not?

Show threadTelorandOct 8, 2025

Save your breath. Hexbears are not interested in nuanced political discussion. Either you swallow and vomit their very specific brand of elitist tankie leftism, or you get brigaded and banned. There is no allyship, only conformity.

It’s why other instance admins often receive petitions, particularly by newer Lemmings, to defederate or otherwise block hexbear instances.

Do yourself a favor and block their domain and any hexbear user that you find even remotely engaging in bad faith discussion. I mean ffs, they have communities specifically for identifying and harassing other Lemmy users in real time. They are the Kiwi Farms of the Fediverse, they know it, and they don’t care, because “lol communism go brrr.”

Show threadBrainInABoxOct 9, 2025

swallow and vomit their very specific brand of elitist tankie leftism, or you get brigaded and banned. There is no allyship, only conformity.

Mmm yes, very nuanced take you have.

Show threadTheLastHero [he/him]Oct 8, 2025

That would be Biden. You should vote for him. Everyone should vote for him in this next election.

Okay, I followed your advice and I voted for biden so hard last election, though I thought it was kind of weird how I needed to write him in.

Show threaddeaf_fishOct 8, 2025

Those discussions were before the the switch to Harris. Although the same logic still applies.

The mods of this place are rightly nudging me not to rehash political discussions. If you want to continue this conversion, feel free to DM me.

Show threadTheLastHero [he/him]Oct 8, 2025

nah I don’t really want to talk about electoralism either. We do that enough amongst ourselves lol

But the probably the reason you were labeled a wrecker is saying stuff like “You just want to shoot people. You want people to die due to fascism” and “This is your 100th chance to not come off as a fascist supporter.” “this whole post is psy op”

like there you are, you’re lying and slandering us. all you’re missing is a part where you call us Russian bots or Cee-Cee-Pee agents. We’ve heard it all. We don’t need or want to hear it again. It’s boring and annoying to us.

Here’s how I see your core problem, if you will allow me to try to read your mind and put some words in your mouth like you did to my comrades a couple years ago: you liberals understandably feel powerless about this decay affecting the nation, the world. Your politicians, political systems, who could supposedly do something about it seem completely unaccountable and inaccessible, or if they aren’t they usually only provide lame excuses. Now you don’t have to accept this framing they provide, we don’t, but you largely do.

But this feeling of powerlessness and anxiety you have is still there, so to ameliorate this you target those who are accessible, the annoying tankies who love arguing on the internet, thinking if you sway us into “getting with the program” and supporting Kamala you are doing something productive, coalition building, deradicalizing, whatever you want to call it to feel good- you are taking back control.

But this is a fiction, what you and I are doing here, posting, its basically entertainment with a dash of socializing. Nothing we are saying here matters to the enormous forces governing all of our lives, if hexbear.net dropped an offical endorsement for the democrats Trump would still be president. Even trump himself, for all his dictatorial ambitions and constant media presence, is pissing in the wind of forces beyond his control- history, economics, civilizational inertia. No one can control them, we’re all along for the ride. Read some Marxist theory if you want the specifics.

We posters on hexbear try not to worry about this lack of control, and just want to have a good time with our friends while we’re here, that’s what social media is for. And fun for us also includes dogpiling on randoms drifting in and scolding us about it. But when it becomes not fun anymore and they crash out, just calling us slurs or fascists, etc we just ban them and get back to it. You don’t have to worry about we think about you, and you don’t have to think we’re funny, but I certainly think that our way is more personally fulfilling than engaging in the same argument again and again on twitter yelling at funhouse mirrors and bots.

TLDR: wrecking is killing the vibe, we’re all just posting, don’t let it stress you out.

Show threaddeaf_fishOct 8, 2025

Great, sorry for wrecking the vibe. The language used against me seemed to indicate there was something more serious going on. Even now I am having several more nuanced discussions with others at Hexbear.

As for calling people fascist I just want to lay this popular reply from the post I got banned from: midwest.social/post/36684138/20421459

Social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism.

So it kind of seems like Hexbear can give it, but not take it.

Zohran Mamdani statement on the two year anniversary of October 7, 2023. - midwest.social

Tweet [https://x.com/ZohranKMamdani/status/1975550702056538512] >Zohran’s latest statement is disgraceful. It hides behind the language of morality while reinforcing the same frameworks that dehumanize Palestinians. >He begins by calling October 7 a “horrific war crime,” centering Israeli suffering as the starting point of the story. That framing erases the decades of siege, occupation, and systematic killing that led to that day. It makes Palestinian resistance seem like senseless violence rather than a response to unending colonization. >He follows with mourning for Gaza, but only after reaffirming that Palestinian resistance must first be condemned. This is what passes for “balance” in liberal politics: treating a colonized people’s fight for survival as a moral failure while describing their annihilation as a humanitarian tragedy. >By calling for “diplomacy, not war crimes,” Zohran implies that both sides are equally guilty, softening the reality of a one-sided genocide into the language of “conflict.” He refuses to name power, which is the easiest way to protect it. >Invoking “universal human rights” sounds principled, but it empties the struggle of its political meaning. Palestinians are not asking for abstract ideals. They are demanding freedom, return, and liberation from a settler state built on their destruction. >At a time when Gaza is being erased, statements like this do not show courage. They show complicity. By Nerdeen Kiswani [https://x.com/NerdeenKiswani/status/1975560866557841882]

Show threadTheLastHero [he/him]Oct 8, 2025

so idk if you know but that’s mutation of a famous quote from the Comintern, almost 100 years old now. I assume you’re probably a social democrat since that’s pretty much the left edge of acceptable politics in the USA. If you are, you should consider doing a little reading about the historically famous, deathly feud between Communists and Social Democrats. The German KPD and SPD and Gustav Noske specifically. You may understand where this apparently confusing hostility comes from after that, because a lot of clueless social dems assume that because they are the “closest to the left choice” that communists should at least like them more than we do.

What they’re saying is basically, “these reformist politicians would also kill us, like the fascists would, if it meant they got to hold office, you can’t trust them”, and if you’ve seen the way some of the modern liberal-left talks about “tankies” I don’t think it should be too surprising that we are still saying this. However in real life I’ve not seen this impede very much cooperation anymore, mostly because real social democrats (not new laborite neoliberal imperialists) are only slightly more relevant than communists in the west anymore

You also dove right into the middle of one of our ongoing “struggle sessions” re: Zohran (big debate), and we are in there dishing it out to each other and those can get a pretty hot. Would not recommend wading into the deep end like that if you don’t know what you’re getting into, not my favorite thing to do personally, but others like debating more than me

Social fascism - Wikipedia

Show threaddeaf_fishOct 8, 2025
@RedWizard replied with a similar post to yours at the same time. So I don’t want to create duplications: midwest.social/post/36730554/20440762
What is a Wrecker according to Hexbear mods? - midwest.social

cross-posted from: https://midwest.social/post/36729179 [https://midwest.social/post/36729179] > I got banded from Hexbear. Not that I am super sad about it. More confused… > > > This is the post that did me in: https://midwest.social/post/36684138/20435030 [https://midwest.social/post/36684138/20435030] > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Nothing will change if you don’t believe it can. If all this does is delay fascism for a day. That’s one less day of people dying and suffering for really stupid and avoidable reasons. Seriously, what’s the point of your comment? Are you trying to get me bummed out and not vote? by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > mod > Removed Comment > > Yes, I agree. This is simply a stop gap measure. I’m not saying to stop doing all the other stuff like protesting and organizing. Voting is just one afternoon. For some people it’s really easy to do, it’s way easier than other stuff that you’re probably already doing. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > I thought roe v wade was gone because Obama did kick Mitch McConnell in the nutz for not doing his job and appointing his supreme Court judge. What did Biden do to row v wade? by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Cuz I don’t need to engage with your material. This is sooooooo simple. Just vote for the guy who is less fascist. Are you confused about whether fascism is bad? Guess what? It’s bad! Lots of innocent people dying bad. Are you confused about which presidential candidate is the least fascist? That would be Biden. You should vote for him. Everyone should vote for him in this next election. This is your 100th chance to not come off as a fascist supporter. You better take it! by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Define failed practice? What do you think would have happened if Biden had lost the last election to Trump? Four years of Trump almost tore this country to pieces. I’m sorry fighting is hard. I’m not asking you to be pro-democrat. I’m just asking you not to doomer everyone into not voting at all. Guess what? Fascists vote and they organize and they don’t get doomer about this stuff. If you’re not going to help then get out of the way. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > First of all, you’re confusing me with somebody who likes the Democrats. I don’t. I don’t like either party. Second of all, why the hell are you acting like there’s a third choice between a Democrat and Republican? When was the last time an independent candidate came even close to winning? We currently only have two choices for president. I beg of you or anyone else that is reading this. Please vote for the less fascist one. Again, I don’t like this. But acting like there’s absolutely no difference between Biden and Trump is the the dumbest thing I’ve heard in a long time. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > I know! So simple right? by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Banned deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: west purginia, mountain mama (lib :farquaad-point:) > > > mod > Removed Comment > > If you have the numbers to start a violent revolution. You have the numbers to do reform. Unless you plan on dying a glorious death with no change in outcome. I’m not saying electoralism is the only answer. Keep protesting. Keep organizing. Keep spreading information. Do you know what would give you more time to build that revolutionary army? If Biden was president for four more years. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > I don’t need to prove that Biden opposes fascism. I just have to prove the other candidate would be more fascist. We only have two choices. This should be really simple. Pick the one that’s less fascist. Why is this so hard for you? Are you unsure which president would cause a less fascist outcome between Biden and Trump? This is really simple, it’s Biden, vote Biden! Voting is one afternoon. Waiting in a line. Filling out a ballot. I know it sucks. Your feelings are valid. Vote Biden because fascism is bad. Do you know who’s not going to vote Biden. All the fascists. They’re going to be voting for whoever the Republican candidate is. Do you know who they really want? They want Hitler2 for president. Do you know what they’re not doing? Complaining about that and doomering over it. This is incredibly simple. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Biden is better than a fascist. Seriously, what’s the point of your comment? Are you trying to get me to give up start licking that boot? by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Biden is better than a fascist. Seriously, what’s the point of your comment? Are you trying to get me to give up start licking that boot? by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > You just want to shoot people. You want people to die due to fascism. So that you can LARP as a revolutionary soldier. Listen if a violent revolution was going to be successful. Liberal democracy would have turned the USA into socialism by now. If you’re going to start a revolution, you have to make sure you have more than 50% of the population on your side, at a minimum. The more population on your side the less death will occur. If more than 50% of the population agrees with you, democracy will work just fine. No need to murder bone. Unless you want to. In which case none of this conversation makes any difference. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Yes, do all of that! And vote! Voting is pretty easy compared to the other things on that list. Do what you can. Do all of them if you can. I don’t like the Democrats. I don’t like saying that we should support the Democrats. But the Democrats are right now the least fascist of the two parties that we have to pick between. I am acting smug, because it appears to me this group has some whiny babies who can’t vote. Seriously, how can you fight fascists in the street and then just not vote? I think voting would be really easy compared to fighting fascists. Convincing cucked liberals to vote for Biden is a nice baby step for them. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Okay if you believe all that then shut up. Die quietly and let everyone else die fighting. All you’re doing is spread doomer bullshit that isn’t helping anyone. If you want to stop being miserable. Join the fight! by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > mod > Banned deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > from the community Labour > > > reason: Wrecker. > > > expires: 2 years ago > > > mod > Removed Comment > > Wow, this whole post is psy op. Vote Biden people! The only other option will be a fascist or fascist enabler. I don’t like it anymore than you do. by deaf_fish > @lemm.ee > > > reason: No.

Show threadRedWizard [he/him, comrade/them]Oct 8, 2025

Social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism

That is a quote from J. V. Stalin and his writing entitled "Concerning the International Situation:

Firstly, it is not true that fascism is only the fighting organisation of the bourgeoisie. Fascism is not only a military-technical category. Fascism is the bourgeoisie’s fighting organisation that relies on the active support of Social-Democracy. Social-Democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism. There is no ground for assuming that the fighting organisation of the bourgeoisie can achieve decisive successes in battles, or in governing the country, without the active support of Social-Democracy. There is just as little ground for thinking that Social-Democracy can achieve decisive successes in battles, or in governing the country, without the active support of the fighting organisation of the bourgeoisie. These organisations do not negate, but supplement each other. They are not antipodes, they are twins. Fascism is an informal political bloc of these two chief organisations; a bloc, which arose in the circumstances of the post-war crisis of imperialism, and which is intended for combating the proletarian revolution. The bourgeoisie cannot retain power without such a bloc. It would therefore be a mistake to think that “pacifism” signifies the liquidation of fascism. In the present situation, “pacifism” is the strengthening of fascism with its moderate, Social-Democratic wing pushed into the forefront.

Please don’t hesitate to read the whole text; it should only take you about 40 minutes to do so. This isn’t some phrase that manifested out of thin air. It has historical context, and it is still applicable today. As I have come to describe the situation in the states, Democrats are the carrot, and Republicans are the stick. Democrats trod out small concessions or the hope of small concessions, while the Republicans meet no resistance in their aim to roll back reforms. As some liberals have taken to calling it, “The Ratchet Effect.” There is more to this, however, because the Republicans being the stick means that they are also the disciplinary wing of the two-party system. They are given the tools they need under both Republican and Democratic administrations, and when the poor get a little to uppity, the Republicans (being the heel to the Democrat’s face) use their power to punish anyone trying to make real change. This is why people are so “heightened” when Trump is in office, because they do the dirty work. If Democrats did the same, there would be no release valve in the system, no “calm waters,” but during those calm waters sections of the government (such as ICE) get increases over increases in a bipartisan way.

But none of this is conspiracy in the traditional sense; it isn’t closed-door agreements and secret handshakes. This behavior is born out of the root cause of the issue, which is the belief that private property must be maintained above all else and that private property must generate infinite growth. In the context of the post you’re referring to, these concessions being made by Mamdani are the result of the Democratic operators having control over his campaign. He has to align with their interests, both foreign and domestic. His messaging is being pulled to the right to align with the Democrats. This alignment process is what keeps us in the system we have today, where nothing seems to get done and things only appear to get worse.

Concerning the International Situation

Show threaddeaf_fishOct 8, 2025

Ok, fair, so what is the end goal here?

Tear everything down and then build up what? If it isn’t another Democracy (I mean a political system in which voting and representation dictates who has power), then I am not interested. Why have a revolution under a fascist dictator if you are just going to get another fascist dictator or maybe a non-fascist dictator?

Show threadRedWizard [he/him, comrade/them]Oct 8, 2025

See, this is part of the problem; you have a very shallow understanding of the material realities of the places you are implicitly criticizing. You also have a very narrow view of what “Democracy” is and how it should function. This kind of muddying of terms is what leads to conflict. When two people attempt to communicate in what is obviously the same language, yet there is a discrepancy between the depth of understanding of the words, it can become nearly impossible to effectively communicate.

If you want to get a primer on the world view, a go-to suggestion is always Blackshirts and Reds by Michael Parenti (about a two-hour read). Though you could also read something like The Principles of Communism by Friedrich Engels, Why Socialism? By Albert Einstein, or Why Marxism? By R. Day for something more modern. If you do not want to read, that’s fine. I’d suggest Michael Parenti’s “Yellow Parenti” Speech

The reality is, our current systems and institutions are hardly Democratic. This was designed from the onset by the founding fathers, the landed class of colonial settlers, but I won’t speak for the likes of John Adams; I’ll let him speak for himself:

May 26, 1776

It is certain in theory, that the only moral foundation of government is the [agreement] of the people, but to what an extent shall we carry this principle? Shall we say, that every individual of the community, old and young, male and female, as well as rich and poor, must [agree] to every act of legislation?..

Is it not equally true, that men in general in every society, who [are poor and do not own property], are also [unfamiliar] with public affairs to form a right judgment, and too dependent upon other men to have a will of their own? …Few men, who have no property, have any judgment of their own. They talk and vote as they are directed by some man of property, who has attached their minds to his interest.

Depend upon it, sir, it is dangerous to open [such a] source of controversy and altercation, as would be opened by attempting to [change] the qualifications of voters. There will be no end of it. New claims will arise. Women will demand a vote. Lads from 12 to 21 will think their rights not enough attended to, and every man, who has not a [dime], will demand an equal voice with any other in all acts of state. It tends to confound and destroy all distinctions, and [surrender] all ranks, to one common level.

From the onset, all voting rights beyond rights for the propertied class of America were won through struggle and concession, often violent struggle. We live in a class society, where one class dictates to the other how life will be and how things are going to work. Only through struggle against the propertied class has the working class gained anything. If you want a little taste of what I’m talking about every day, check out A People’s Calendar. All states are a form of dictatorship because all states uphold class society; it is which class uses their dictatorial powers that must be changed.

The institutions you hold so close could even remain intact. A four year voting cycle, even with an electoral college and a supreme court, the only thing that would change is which class is deciding which people fill those roles and to whom their activity benefits.

Blackshirts and Reds by Michael Parenti

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Show threaddeaf_fishOct 8, 2025
I think you have confused my pro Democracy stance for a pro US right now Democracy stance so this doesn’t really address my post.
Show threadRedWizard [he/him, comrade/them]Oct 8, 2025
Again this is the problem, you can’t separate the then from the now, that’s not how history works. The democracy you support isn’t different then there democracy that exists “right now”. The foundations of the democracy you support creates the conditions for the democracy you don’t support now. They are linked through the development of history and through the crisis of Capitalism. There is no returning to some idealized version of American democracy that you support because it doesn’t exist. It only exists in your mind, as a figment of your imagination, built from the memories of times where “politics” didn’t impact your life. For millions of Americans, this is the America they know and have always known.
Show threaddeaf_fishOct 8, 2025

I think what I am trying to get at, is that if I was in charge and had to not be in charge soon magically. I would choose a democracy. I would get rid of first past the post, the electoral college, and the two party system. I would try to create a fair and equitable society.

As I understand history the original decision for the electoral college was due to people in charge thinking that not everyone’s vote should be held with the same weight. This is not something that I believe.

Now in my new country, could people vote back in the electoral collage and first past the post, sure, but there isn’t much you can do about that without causing other problems.

Show threaddeaf_fishOct 8, 2025

How about this I was talking with someone else from Hexbear.

According to them, the plan is to get rid of Capital. Once that is out of the picture Democracy is good. Do you agree with that position? I have no problems getting rid of capitalism.