Lesley Carhart Oct 8

I guess I haven’t clearly articulated this in writing, but friends do not let friends without substantive IT work experience and/or a credible IT degree take cybersecurity career bootcamps in 2025.

They are up to no good. Shenanigans. Malfeasance. They are not a safe way to get a job.

Show threadLesley Carhart Oct 8
There are certainly good -courses- that can supplement a strong IT foundation and existing experience and credentials. Especially on targeted topics. But if it sounds too good to be true it is. You’re not landing a SOC job on a 6 month bootcamp, these days.
Show threadLesley Carhart Oct 8

People salty that I am gatekeeping - I am literally trying to keep them out of paying a bunch of money to skeevy organizations who will not help them land a job at all in the collapsing cybersecurity job market.

Get a degree in CS or computer/network engineering. Pick a general niche in cybersecurity, preferably less popular. Get your basic IT certs. Get a generalist IT support role. Get your second-tier certs. Network with people like hell for a couple years. Keep up your self-study. Participate in the community. Get somewhat lucky.

If you can't get the degree, then everything is the same but a lot more of the general IT work and all the other stuff to make a lateral career move later. The military is a possibility if that's your thing.

Show threadAdvanced Persistent TeapotOct 8
@hacks4pancakes omg who is saying this? if I was pressed to name the least gatekeeping-y person in infosec you would be at the front of the pack
Show threadLesley Carhart Oct 8
@http_error_418 when you say something like this there is always those people who are like, "back in my day I got into infosec with my bootstraps and a nintendo game" and its totally not reflective of the market right now.
Show threadChris Farris 

@hacks4pancakes @http_error_418

Back in my day, I got into security from a whistle I found in my cereal box. I don't see why kids these days are complaining. Probably the avocado toast.

(Narrator: I'm not _that_ old, but my path was about as relevant as Draper's to today's infosec).

Oct 8 at 10:56amWeb
Show threadIrishMASMSOct 8

@jcfarris @hacks4pancakes @http_error_418 you know draper had multiple sexual harassment allegations?

Ask about the jumping jacks in his room

There were folks assigned at hope to keep him out of trouble

Not sure that is the reference that would be prudent to make, sadly