This change is part of the company’s broader “Local-only commands removal” initiative, reinforcing that bypassing account creation could lead to incomplete setups or potential security issues.
Riiight.... because consequences of actions, performed proactively are of course NOT what the average user running these actions would ever expect, yeah, yeah, of course.
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@rq @alternativeto I had a customer who couldn't use his new PC because he didn't subscribe to internet access.
Why someone offline didn't stick with their old machine, I'll never know
@colinstu @alternativeto You think that when a vendor ends their support, the operating system magically vanishes? Haha.
I have literally never, ever needed to contact Microsoft for support on any of their OS's. I've fixed all my own problems and in the very rare situation that I'm stumped I'll just use online forums. Apple walk away from their devices all the time, I've got four iPads that no longer receive updates. And they work fine. So will Win10.
@dhry @alternativeto no? I'm talking about updates. you know. security things. Especially with potential 0-days down the road.
The OS doesn't magically vanish of course, it just magically gets more insecure. Not saying it's going to be a virus fest or anything, even Win7 online isn't the worst w/the right precautions, still though, it's not something I would daily for much longer. Good luck.
@colinstu @alternativeto I don’t need luck. Since the dawn of time there have been third party apps that secure your OS - firewalls better than the default, antivirus apps better than the default. If you use vanilla OOTB Windows then absolutely you’ll need to march to the beat of Gates’ drum.
But I’ll only upgrade when and if *I* determine it’s time, not when the overlords instruct me to. And certainly not while the “upgraded” version has the defect discussed in the original post.
@colinstu @dhry @alternativeto
I have, however, seen rhetoric from folks who seem to genuinely think Microsoft is 'bricking' Win10 systems. I'm not sure where it comes from other than a game of telephone from the news regarding the phrase "end-of-life" and some folks not knowing what EOL actually refers to with software.
Guess not entirely unreasonable to think someone might mean that thusly. Still incredibly unnecessarily snarky from them.
@CarbonCarrot @jayfell @alternativeto
How does that work for Android accessibility components or Google apps you can't remove?
@CarbonCarrot @jayfell @alternativeto
Ordinary users can't easily remove all Google apps.
Google is taking control of approval of all Android apps.
Alternate distros need expertise and can't be installed on all phones and tablets. Some are pointless.
Google has too much control.
At least most HW for Windows can run Linux or BSD etc, real alternatives, but MS has too much control.
Apple has far too much control of Mac and iOS based devices.
@CarbonCarrot @jayfell @alternativeto
That's why we have governments and regulators.
Big corporations use tricks and lies so consumers are cheated. Like dark pattern UIs.
Unbridled Capitalism is evil.
@CarbonCarrot @jayfell @alternativeto
Out of the box the Speech files and keyboard/handwriting files need downloaded from Google. Only works if you created a working Gooogle account. Updates need the playstore.
There are 3rd party TTS installed on a few phones/tablets but it's rare.
Google has too much control.
@alternativeto That's going to be a mildly inconvenient wait until the bypass tool comes out, then.
I used my regular win10 installer without ethernet, created local admin and user accounts, and then triggered a win11 upgrade
Worked like a charm a few weeks back
Yes, it IS needlessly slow, but it's also worth a shot if everything else fails!
You might get a periodic reminder to convert accounts to online, but that should be possible to disable (I just haven't bothered yet...)
Oh, but there will be linux on this thing too! And yes, 99% of what I use this laptop for could easily be done on linux instead!
But that final 1% is SUCH a pain when you're stuck...
@alternativeto it baffles me why people persist trying to use this clearly entirely user hostile crap.
Like as if just managing to trick the installer into getting past this step will mean that everything else it does won’t try and track and creepily advertise at you the whole time you use it.
God I wish we lived in a timeline where some Linux was developed to appeal to expectations normal computer users.
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