I can do it… Sometimes.

I like that when you fall off the wagon you do it with gusto.

Step 1) Exit Puberty

Step 2) Have a real socio-economic incentive to get up at 6am.

Step 3) Stop drinking caffeine after 4pm.

Step 4) Gene Therapy

Step 5) Find out if you snore. If you’re snoring, you’re not going to get enough sleep during the night, which will make you groggy af in the early morning.

Step 6) At 6am, when your alarm clock goes off, it helps if you really, really, really need to pee.

Step 6. Got it just dribk before bed but then still have to piss middle of the night and then refill bladder mid night.
Step 7: as soon as you get up, eat a meal. It helps set your internal alarm clock.
i feel like then I’d be going back to sleep
Yeah a nap right after a breakfast and coffee, but before the caffeine hits is my perfect unemployed morning.
Sorry I literally cannot. It makes me feel sick if I eat less than 1-2 hours after waking up.

Some people are just genetically nocturnal. I had one grandparent who was early to bed. Everyone else in my family is somewhere between 12 and 2 am. As we get older we seem to need less and less sleep though. By 70, my nan was averaging 4 hours. Up to bed at 1, up a 5am to teach her 6am colege classes.

My other grandma slept 3x 2 hour bouts thought the day my whole life. 2hr nap around lunch, another after dinner, then shed be up til 2am, and ‘go to bed’ just to be back up around 4am. I think that had somwthing to do with her living most her life off the grid and having a wood stove got heat her whole life.

Some people are just genetically nocturnal.

Sure. See Step (4).

Although, you tend to require (or, at least, feel inclined towards) less sleep as you age.

I think that had somwthing to do with her living most her life off the grid and having a wood stove got heat her whole life.

Better than needing to piss is waking up freezing cause your feet are out of the covers

I have a little theory for why that is. I think back when we were tribes, having a certain percentage of the population be comfortable staying awake during the night helped protect us from other animals during the night.
But then why are we not seeing people who genuinely like to go to bed at 8 pm and wake up at 3 am for the 2nd shift?
I see you’ve not met my partner’s father
I genuinely like going to bed at like 11am to noon and getting up around 7pm to 9pm. Sadly there’s not a lot of career advancement in the jobs that hire for those hours, and I’ve got student loans to pay.
Capitalism.
You’re missing one big step and that is consistently keep this routine. For best results you have to keep it going through the weekends as well.
In my experience, you can fudge the weekends by an hour or so and you’ll be fine. But yes, if you’re sleeping till noon on Saturday and Sunday, your circadian rhythm will be fucked on Monday morning.
I don’t have problems getting up early on the weekends at all. I cut out like 4 hours of sleep on the weekends without issues. I think the problem is that on weekdays I have to get up to go to work.
Explain 4 please. And with 5, if you do snore, then what? How do you solve it?
5 is a sleep apnea thing. i snore (very lightly unless i’m congested) but don’t have sleep apnea. snoring can be an indicator, but there’s not a 1:1 correlation

4 doesn’t seem to be a real thing because the only gene therapy for sleep that I could find were trials centered around GT for sleep apnea.

Listing gene therapy like you can just go to the doctor and request it is pretty disingenuous since insurance companies will make you jump through 10,000 hoops before even attempting something as expensive as gene therapy.

Get a dog. I’m now forced to get up early to take it out, otherwise it will pee on my bed.
Even better, try two puppies. Sleep will be your last problem now.

Also, children will do this to you.

(DO NOT actually have children if you are just trying to wake up earlier.)

Did the trick for me!

A tamagotchi will also do this.

(DO get a tamagotchi if you are trying to wake earlier)

Do they still make those?
You can apparently buy one for 37€ right now. They’re still in production and have sold nearly 90 million units over the years.
They made a hatsune miku tamagotchi.
my kid has started waking up later…
that quiet time before everyone else wakes up 👍
I am up at 5:15 every weekday, my dog stays in bed until I make her go outside and pee before I leave at 5:55. If left to her own devices she’ll want out around 9am.
Just a THC infusion.
While this might help initially, I don’t think it would modify your sleep cycle. I’ve been a heavy pot smoker for 20+ years. The only thing that ended up changing my sleep cycle was getting old. I wake with the sun now.
This just happened naturally to me as I got old…
100%. Getting up after 8 just feels like wasting the day now.
I honestly don’t even enjoy the thought of being in bed with the sun up these days. Plus I’m in a semi desert climate so the cool air in the morning is almost intoxicating.
Same, I can't wait to get out of bed in the morning. No use laying there awake when I can have some quiet time for myself with a cup of coffee.
Early to rise and early to bed makes a man healthy but socially dead.
“Early to bed and early to rise makes Jack’s wife go out with other guys” - The Warner Brothers
I need to go to sleep at 10 so that maybe I can fall sleep around 11, and then the opposite issue in the morning.
Resignment to the 9-5 life
Yes, the surgery is done with an ice pick.
Just an alarm clock is enough. Or doing it the fancy way with phones, they even say when your bedtime is starting.

Never had any issue falling asleep anywhere between midnight and 8 a.m. and still getting a full restful 6 to 9 hour sleep when I worked late or overnight shifts. Now I work 8-5 because that is where the well paying jobs are and I've been sleep deprived for a couple decades.

Falling asleep in the evening to early night just doesn't work for me for whatever reason. I tried going to bed at 10:00 for a year with only a few successes that meant I woke up at 4 a.m. and couldn't get back to sleep.

The anxiety of not catching the train to university did it for me. Go to sleep at midnight. Wake up at 5:30 to get ready.I manage to hold up for the five days of courses.

Saturdays though? A nuke could go off and I wouldn’t wake up.

I get up very early, and routinely have to sleep before sunset. I set an alarm for 1 hour before bed. That’s when I need to stop whatever I’m doing, get dishes finished, set up my kettle, etc. Everything should be ready for my dead ass at 04:15, so I don’t have to think at all. Just move, no thinking.
Get a kitten or a puppy. My mom’s puppy started insisting on curling up with me and, out of deference to the little guy, I catch myself resisting moving, so as not to to smash him or wake him up. Slept clean through the night a few nights in a row. I never sleep easily. Not in almost 60 years. I suppose, to some degree, sleeping with a significant other had similar therapeutic qualities but, over time, people are just bigger and you wind up fighting for covers and the like.

I just made a conscious decision to switch about 2 weeks ago. I used to go to bed at midnight and wake up at 8:30. I now go to bed at 10:30 and wake up at 7:30 so I have time to hit the gym before work.

As you get older you get tired more easily so you naturally start going to bed earlier. This has the consequences of raising earlier.

8 and 4, but… I dunno
The trick is to move to the right timezone. Simply figure where in the world your biological rhythms align, then move there. No need to worry about jet lag or alarm clocks. You will have the schedule you desire.

Apparently, people really are divided into morning and evening people. This has an evolutionary benefit because the group has a shorter time without at least one keeping an eye out.

So… Genetic treatment.

It was the fucking worst but I started waking up early every day and then I added running to it. After about 6 months I fully transformed into a morning person. The second I retire, I’m going back, I miss the night.
Batman?
At least I used to be.
I feel the same. I’m up early because I have to be. But I do not want to be.
Same. I’m finally good at it but I just don’t like the vibe of mornings and the people who love them.
I sleep at 11 or sometimes midnight and wake up at 3:30
Exercise is key