Maay as well move back to GMail and Windows on stock settings if something like that ever passes, wouldnt make a difference then.
@Tutanota
This is not a European-only problem. It is a global issue. It would take almost no time for them to move from that to banning software not connected to a cloud service, which is further connected to a digital ID of sorts.
This means Linux would become illegal in its current state, plus LibreOffice, OnlyOffice, Blender, etc.
This is an attack on global freedom.
Chat control could "end the right to privacy in Europe"? Sounds like hyperbole.
If it's a bad idea, say that. Or, that it will reduce privacy ...or that it could expose at risk people. But c'mon "end the right to privacy" is a long way down the road from what chat control does.
Ragebaiter identified. Let this be the only comment they get, please.
Either a ragebaiter or they are grossly misunderstanding how serious this can and will get if it is approved.
Basically, every country would become like the UK, Switzerland, and China, when it comes to surveillance.
And from there, any dystopian future becomes possible.
@WashingtonIrving @ddnnacheta @TCatInReality @Tutanota
"I have nothing to hide" is an argument for survelance I encounter often (with people close to me as well).
First I would like to address that the argument itself does not make much sense. An analogy would be "I do not care if {insert ethinc or racial group} is hunted down and killed, because I do not belong to that group."
Of course chat control promises that it will be used only to prosecute groups that deserve it, with the chats...
@WashingtonIrving @kalin5 @ddnnacheta @Tutanota
Thanks for jumping in.
Chat control and any legislation are just tools - to be used for good or bad. We need to spend a lot more energy on ensuring power goes to responsible people, not fascists. Because the fascists will always get the tools, even if they need to make them.
At this moment, fighting chat control or the UK's OSA is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
We need to rein in the hyperbole and keep eyes on the big prize.
@kalin5 @WashingtonIrving @ddnnacheta @Tutanota
"Looking through my private communication only makes sense if under some condition I will be prosecuted for it"
That is a huge, unsubstantiated leap.
What if media companies use this access to enforce their safety standards (say blocking illegal ivory sales)?
Or, the gov mandate tech companies create filters that users control (say to block sexual content)?
Or, that anonymized data is used for research?
Lots of options, not just prosecution.
@kalin5 @WashingtonIrving @ddnnacheta @Tutanota
Corollary:
I'm *not* saying prosecution isn't an option. But it is certainly not the *only* option.
Let's rein in the hyperbole and focus on good governance (which is collapsing everywhere) instead of obsessing over the tools -- that clearly advantage techbros rn
@kalin5 @WashingtonIrving @ddnnacheta @Tutanota
I cannot believe people are arguing the details of my ivory example days later.
Please - take a step back and look at the broader point.
One (of several) other options for this technology is for companies to enforce their own safety/user standard. I said ivory sales, but it could be promoting self-harm, it could be promoting flat earth nonsense, etc. The example doesn't matter.
@TCatInReality @WashingtonIrving @ddnnacheta @Tutanota
Of course we discuss the example, what is the point otherwise :)
Of course companies can moderate as they please, but that is for public speech. I do not think this has anything to do with private chats, which is the target of the legislation.
Furthermore part of the legislation is about undermining encryption (afaik), which is just bad, no benefit.
You know what the craziest thing about all this is?
The fact that the population has protested x times already and prevented the chat control from being implemented.
And STILL a large fraction of politicians are trying again and again to push through their agenda.
Makes one thing painfully obvious:
The political system in the EU is NOT properly/reliably working FOR the people.
In large parts it doesn't care about what the people want.
Sorry to say: it is these things that have turned me from a EU enthusiast to almost an EU opponent.
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