return2ozmaKash Patel fires FBI agent trainee for displaying gay pride flag
FistingEnthusiastI wonder if he’d have fired someone with a confederate flag or MAGA one?
TrickDacyI reckon you’re right
ChozoSadly, I think we do
lumpenproletariatWhy would you honestly wonder that?
There is zero chance they would, that’s fucking obvious so why “wonder” it? Do you for a second believe Patel would do that? Do you think anyone in the administration would? No? Of course not. Stop this stupid take where you pretend everything is normal and the rules apply.
I’m not a yank
Something I’m eternally grateful for
I’m lucky enough to live in a civilised country
he had displayed an improper “political” message in the workplace during his assignment in California under President Joe Biden
The gay pride flag was displayed during his assignment in California under President Joe Biden? That is completely ridiculous. Thought crime is one thing, but retroactive thought crime is delusion.
Freedom of speech‽ The goddamn FBI isn’t a private entity
Man I hate to look like I’m siding with Patel here…but “Congress shall make no law”. Not a second amendment issue, because Patel isn’t making a law or sitting in Congress.
But, federal jobs usually aren’t at-will and usually protected against wrongful termination by civil service laws.
But, while he could fight it, the courts aren’t exactly in his favor right now.
MirthfulAlembicThat clause doesn’t limit the scope to only members of Congress or laws they write. Supreme Court interpretation, 14th amendment, etc. have expanded that to government writ large.
Free speech protections generally extend to government employees, except in the scope of speech related to their official duties, to my understanding. It would be difficult to seriously argue a pride flag in someone’s office in the past meets that criteria of official duties. My faith in the courts to consistently hold that precedent is not high these days, however.
I completely agree with you on this case. Especially since it was allowed at the time by that administration and if they aren’t showing it now because of this administration then why are we doing this except to purge Democrat.
Now, here’s the part where I get downvoted because people won’t want to acknowledge this:
You said retroactive thought crime is a big no no, but many cancellations of recent past (last 5-7 years at least) have been what you would label “retroactive thought crimes”. When someone pulls Twitter posts or quotes of people from their past and use it as justification for cancelling them then that is exactly what a retroactive thought crime is.
One of two things may be true here. First, they still believe what they said and thus we should hold them accountable for not growing and hurting others. Second, they said that stuff and forgot about it but have changed their opinion and truly regret it. They should be given a chance to explain their position either way. Chances are we can tell if they’re sincere based on how they’ve been acting or talking over time.
If I’m being honest, I am guilty of judging others for their past without further finding out if they have actually changed or not. I fully own that.
You said retroactive thought crime is a big no no, but many cancellations of recent past (last 5-7 years at least) have been what you would label “retroactive thought crimes”.
Gonna need some examples because every time I’ve seen this sort of thing it generally turns out to be not true and not backed by examples. “Canceling” in most cases is someone saying something incredibly shitty then being shocked that the group that they said it about gets annoyed with them on the internet. This rarely has real world repercussions for that person and in the rare times it does it’s because they recently said something super racists/sexist/awful and the backlash from said group is significant enough that companies distance themselves from that person. These are almost exclusively public figures that it happens to and rarely, if ever, non-public figures.
The only time I’ve seen actual “canceling” happen to regular ass people is from the recent Charlie Kirk shit. If you can cite examples that would be stupendous. Otherwise I’m going to assume you’re kind of full of shit.
Thought crimes are very often retroactive.
During Soviet times figures drifted in and out of favour. An old joke:
Three men are sitting in a jail cell. “How did you end up here?” asks one the other. “I criticized Karl Radek,” he says. “No way!” replies the first man. “I got here for supporting Karl Radek!”
They turn over to the third guy in the corner and ask him why he got there. He sighs heavily and answers: “I’m Karl Radek.”
Well, I mean, the moment you start thinking of the United States of America as being like the good ole’ Soviet Union, you know something is wrong.
It is amazing how Americans manage to be so arrogant regardless of reality. Has it ever occurred to you that the US has funded death squads across the world? Trump is pretty par for the course, he’s just terrorizing American cities instead of South American or Middle Eastern.
Yeah doesn’t he know you’re supposed to be an anti gay activist and then spend all of your free time secretly on Grindr?
only nazi symbolism alllwed
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「黃家駒 Wong Ka Kui」 | (aka: 鳳凰院 凶真 Hououin Kyouma)Idk ask Thomas Clarance or whatever his name is.
Close. Clarence Thomas.
Hot take its okay to be gay lesbian or bisexual, they should not have to be lumped in with all this crazy trans/trans adjacent bullshit. It shouldn’t be LGBTQ+ it should be LGB and a seperate TRQ+ trans radical queers should be seperate. The disservice the trans movement has done to the gay people is immesurable and potentially irreversible.
rbosYou say that and I was told this same thing about 7 years ago. No one believes this now, look around. It is the not the twilight before the dawn its the silence before the storm.
Then stand against it, you fool.
Maybe don’t carry an allied flag when you are tying to infiltrate the SS
The trainee, who previously worked as an FBI support specialist in Los Angeles, received a letter — dated Oct. 1 and signed by Patel — claiming he had displayed an improper “political” message in the workplace during his assignment in California under President Joe Biden, according to a copy of the letter shared with MSNBC.
I’m not sure you’ve quite grasped the concept of linear time…
Always have been