Am I doing something fundamentally wrong in my workouts?

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Am I doing something fundamentally wrong in my workouts? - Lemmy.World

Hey I am kind of feeling sad right now. I started working out in December 2024 and since then I am consistantly in the gym. I started off with Full Body for a month but got bored and did a Upper Lower Split for maybe 6 weeks and then I swapped to PPL. I ran PPL 6x a week. My workout I could just say was (imo) on the lower end (Push had 2 Chest, 1 Shoulder, 1 Triceps // Pull had 1 Vertical 1 Horizontal 1 Shoulder (Face Pulls basically) and 1 Bicep exercise and Legs I did Barbell Squats, Leg Curls, Extensions, Calf Raises and 1 Ab Exercise) I am still SKINNY. I mean not skinny my chest and belly are still fat and my arms and legs skinny. What I changed in diet: Increased Protein intake from never ever tracking in my life to 2.2 g per kg bodyweight. I cut out most crap but still it bad stuff cause I need kcal to gain muscle. I try to eat healthy 3000 kcal a day but its hard but I always have my 2.2g of protein a day in me. The lowest I tracked was 4 months ago 1.55 gramm protein. The highest I had was a month ago with 2.9g of protein per kg bodyweight. I started at 83.9 kg, droped to 76.5 kg (kcal reduced to 2100-2300) and now I am back to 80 kg after I increased kcal a month and half ago to 3000 kcal. I am still benching only 22.5 kg (8 reps) dumbbells. I started at 15 kg which is already nothing (male, 32 years old) now. I started Lat Pulldowns at about 30 kg now I am at 73 kg (6 reps) What am I doing wrong? How can a body (again I am a 32 year old male) only bench 60 kg (Barbell Flatbench Press) for 3 Reps?? Its depressing. People start off at 60 kg. I worked my way to 60 kg and thats considered beginner lift. And I cant even do 4 reps lol. My genetics are so bad I honestly dont know what to do at this point. Maybe PPLPPL is too much and I am not recovering properly? But its only 4 exercises day. And I dont even feel tired after training - despite not even being able to lift another rep. People say you should feel exhausted after training. I think if Id go back to the gym I can do another 9 reps of my last weight. But I cant do more than 9 reps of something if my energy is gone. Today I did Cable Hammer Curls (38 kg…) 11 Reps, then 8 in my second set and in my third set I made 6 reps. It wasnt possible to get 7. I squeezed so hard to try to get the 7 but it wasnt possible. I took a shower, came back to the cable machine and did 9 reps of hammer curls with 38 kg. So I didnt train to failure earlier? I just want to look decent and not skinny anymore. I need help…

You haven’t been at this even a year. Pure muscle takes time to put on. Have patience and enjoy the process
Yeah true… maybe I am just not patient enough. But I had a different idea how this will work lol maybe a bit faster.

It could be simple overtraining. Are you taking deloads? 8 hrs sleep every night? Drinking lots of water? Slight caloric surplus determined by tracking long term weight trends?

I might suggest to change things up and go for more weight, fewer reps. Look around for a different program and try it for 12 weeks.

As for progress, it’s frustrating to be in a plateau. Consider the progress you have made. You increased dumbbell bench by 50%. You doubled lat pull downs. For context this year my squat went up 4%, my clean 3%.

You didn’t mention squat or deadlift. Those are big muscles. Big anabolic response. Don’t skip leg day!

Thanks for help.

I might look for a different program with less days, maybe really go back to Upper Lower and see how it feels with a bit less reps.

I sleep quite well, but my schedule is always different. I work nightshift only so I sleep after my nightshift 9 hours and if I am off I still sleep 9 hours. I alway have 9 hours sleep lol. But maybe that could be it too.

Drink a lot of water. I do Squats but I dont do Deadlifts, I have no trainer or anyone to watch me so I am afraid of that.

Cut to 4 days maybe add another 15mins if u need it, lift heavier, (need to progress, maybe something disciplined, like GZCLP that forces progression but it uses deads) ) sleep more. You can only grow muscle when you sleep.

Dead lifts are superb but i never did them for the first 20 years. Work into them later if you feel a little intimidated.

Keep at it ! Add some abs :)

I slipped a disk doing squats. Well, and lots of other stuff. You can mess up squats and deadlifts (and other things) equally, but it’s easier to put more weight on deadlifts, because you don’t need to take it out of the rack etc. Start light and film yourself and self critique; the basic instruction is brace your trunk and watch that your back remains in the same position throughout the lift - no curving/curling movements.

You can add some cardio to the non lifting days if you like. It’s a good idea for longevity.

In my opinion one needs to experience lots of different splits and exercises to fully understand what works for them, so be patient, this is the marathon of marathons. It will take time to learn what exercises and rep ranges work best for you.

Also, look into planning out your training schedule longer term, where you plan to go through different cycles and rep ranges. What is your progression scheme? As for being sore, you either aren’t training hard enough(do you do rpe or rir?) but most likely your form isn’t necessarily bad but you aren’t focusing on the muscle you are trying to train.

Deadlifts aren’t as dangerous as people want you to believe but form is important. Stiff leg or Romainin deadlift are good too, with slightly less stress but still, watch a bunch of videos on form, keep your back flat, chest wide and up, and pull the weight. Start with some light weight and practice form, just like on everything else.

Do you track your lifts in any way that you can see changes in weights and or reps over time?

I second this. Form is a huge factor, and if you’re not tired and sore after workouts you probably aren’t doing the right things in the right way. Have you thought about getting a trainer or even seeing a doctor about your results. While it’s true that you’ve been doing it less than a year you should be seeing some slow results after just a few months, and if you aren’t it might be the result of doing too much weight or not enough weight or a form issue. You don’t need a forever trainer either, just a few sessions to confirm that what you’re doing is effective and that you’re pushing yourself correctly, past your limits but not too much that it’s damaging. IDK but it’s worked for me in the past
Thanks! Yes I track with FitNotes. But I notice I change my order of exercises quite often too… I seem to not stick to one workout without doing minor changes which could screw things up or?

It’s hard to track progress if you are changing things.

Pick a set of exercises for your PPL and apply a progression scheme. Do that for 4 months. Then change your rep ranges and maybe swap out a few stale exercises. Do that for 4 months. Keep repeating that and you will start to see results, have information about your lifts and start to understand what training styles your body responds to.

Having a spotter is a good idea if you are maxing out but really, you shouldn’t be maxing but maybe twice a year. And maybe when you first get started so you know what failure feels like, like gun to head can’t do one more failure. After that, leaving a rep or two in the tank on each set is fine(maybe don’t amrap on squat and benchpress for example). If you practice the movement with light weight, add weight slowly and know your limits you’ll be fine.

Muscle takes time. The only thing I really noticed for my muscle building for my first three years was that I lost fat. It sucks mega ass but just keep at it, set small goals and reach them. Unless you’re planning on using steroids it’s not going to come fast.

Thanks :) I am not interested in steroids… and to be honest Id rather just stay in my shape before I ever do lol. If that means staying small Im fine with that lol.

I guess ill experiment with different split, maybe I am doing too much …

Yeah don’t do steroids dude. Just don’t let yourself get down on your shit. You’re doing a great job.
thaanks I am trying my best. I just sometimes feel shame when I read the standard weight for a specific exercise at age x for male is XYZ and I am just way below that lol.

Those standard weights were always a joke anyways. They’re often not indicative of much besides the feelings of whoever wrote that.

Also if you’re having trouble doing more than 4 reps, start doing breakdown sets. I always did breakdown sets when I worked out. When you can’t do anymore reps just go down to a weight you can and do that, until you can’t do that weight anymore and keep going down till you get to zero. I found that built muscle way better, and makes you worry way less about your starting weight and more about your actual goals.

Are you lifting to failure?
Well I am trying. I squeezed the rope hammer curl so hard trying to get the 7th rep in after my 6th rep but couldnt make it and was squeeling like a dolphin and turning red. But I came back 10 minutes later and was able to do another 9 reps with the same weight. My muscle wasnt tired at all after 10 minutes. But at that moment I couldnt even cheat the 7th rep.
I think I would try fewer reps with heavier weights. I do three sets: 8, 6, 4. Though sometimes I’ll do 8, 4, 6 and move my heavy set to the second if I’m struggling to progress.

“patience is the absence of expectation” — Shinichi Suzuki

you’re doing everything right. you’re probably worrying too much and prescribing too much. listen to the science and the literature, but also listen to your body. everyone is different. i’ve been lifting for 5 years and bailed out of a 60kg bench press yesterday (tbh higher reps but still; i was embarrassed).

also, comparison is the thief of joy. don’t compare yourself to the guy next to you or the influencers on Instagram or “what’s normal”. the only person you need to try to be better than is you from last week or last month or last year.

trying is the point. trying is progress. discipline is greater than motivation. we all have bad days. but it’s a journey. have a bad day, and go to the gym the next day and celebrate that you made it.

i started when i was 30, and i have been consistent for over 4 years. it pays off eventually, i promise.

thaanks for your words, appreciate :)

Slow down. You need more time to recover and rebuild muscle. That’s the major factor that changes as you age, it’s your recovery time. You’re working out like you’re 19 (or on peds), and you can do that for even decades to come - but you’ll never get out of it what you put into it when you can’t recover fully.

Also, 1 year? You’re going to apply this to your body for the rest of your life, right? Or you just doing this for a few years, then potato-man land? Results will come over time. Pace yourself. 3-5 days a week, 45min workouts that can go over.

Have you actually done an objective comparison?

It sounds like you have a few important goals. One seems to be appearance, another is strength. One of these is probably more important to you, and honestly no judgement, but not having a clear idea of what is important and why can muddle your thinking.

Do you have before photos? If you don’t have pictures and measurements you cannot make a good comparison. A good idea would be to take measurements of what you care about, say a one rep max or belt measurement, and then take photos in various poses that show things you care about, say side on to see bulges at the front or front on to see traps. Make sure you know the lighting conditions and time of day so you can compare fairly later on.

That all said, measure what you care about so you can see progress later. You can’t ssee progress without comparison and if that is what you want then you need to measure.

An alternative is to consider what kind of person you want to be. Do you want to be someone who regularly exercises? Do you want to be the kind of person who can lift kids without a problem? Do you care about your activity levels when you are 70? These are all different things that have meaning to different people. Working from a values perspective will make you more effective at setting goals and meeting them.

Social media and YouTube has skewed gym gains expectations. You are doing great! Good workout and good diet. Maybe rest a bit more lile some others lemmings have said.

When u see somebody that really looks fit they probably have been training consistently for 3+ years. Youtube and social media with their 90 days transformations is bullshit. Keep grinding brother!

Do you use a calorie counter? Sounds like you need more calories. When you eat enough calories to build muscle, you get enough protein, at least you have to try really hard not to.

I was in the same boat. No matter what I did, my body wouldn’t change for 1+ year. I was taking ISO100 before each workout and a friend told me that’s where the issue was. He suggested doubling the scoops if I wanted to put on muscle and I did. It didn’t take that long to see things happening and I did make great gains. The guys I was working out with even suggested I had to be doping, even though I wasn’t. Then covid.

These days I’m trying to get a routine started again but for cardio so I can be healthy. I just can’t seem to find the groove.

How much protein per bodymass did you take after the doubling?
I was not scientific about it. I went from one full scoop to 2 full scoops.