Edit: I broke the thread again by mistake. Prior thread: https://cyberplace.social/@GossiTheDog/115242040984922549

Jaguar Land Rover have extended their car production shutdown for at least another week: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c15kpxnn2p2o

There’s a curious and unsourced line at the end of the BBC article: “JLR is currently taking the lead on support for its own supply chain, rather than any state intervention.”

If so, why are suppliers laying off staff and calling for government intervention?

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Attached: 1 image One awkward element to all of this is the UK Prime Minister launched his growth strategy, with the banner Securing Our Future, at Jaguar Land Rover. It was supposed to be how AI and automation would secure the UK economy. Edit: thread broke, it continues here: https://cyberplace.social/@GossiTheDog/115252536089032550

Cyberplace
Exclusive: Jaguar Land Rover failed to secure cyber insurance deal ahead of incident, sources say 

Jaguar Land Rover failed to finalise a cyber placement brokered by Lockton ahead of the incident that halted the British carmaker's production, three senior cyber insurance market sources told The Insurer.

Peter Kyle and Chris McDonald met JLR’s CEO and senior executives at its Gaydon headquarters to discuss latest situation.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/ministers-meet-jlr-bosses-and-supply-chain-companies-to-help-secure-future-of-car-industry
Ministers meet JLR bosses and supply chain companies to help secure future of car industry

Peter Kyle and Chris McDonald met JLR’s CEO and senior executives at its Gaydon headquarters to discuss latest situation.

GOV.UK

Robert Peston, who was the first to report on the government's bailout of banks in the 2008 financial crisis, reports the UK government is considering bailing out JLR's suppliers by effectively becoming the lender of last resort - by buying parts off suppliers, and then reselling them to Jaguar Land Rover.

In effect the UK government will become JLR's supplier's customer.

https://www.itv.com/news/2025-09-24/how-the-government-plans-to-support-jaguar-land-rover-suppliers

If anybody is wondering, I took a tour of JLR's network border last night - everything is still offline, except for https://wslx.jlrext.com/ (single factor login), some routers running SSH to the internet, NTP and Fortigate firewalls with open ports to internet.

The BBC reports “Senior government figures are concerned about a pattern of cyber attacks on UK institutions and businesses, such as the British Library, Marks & Spencer, and the Co-op.”

They should be. We’ve got to collectively work together to defuse the ransomware economy - even if that means repositioning security industry incentives.

We’ve also got to be deeply honest about where the challenges are coming from - which is not just Russia, but at home in the UK.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62nv0xx32go

Jaguar Land Rover: Government mulls financial support for supply chain firms

Fears are growing that some of the carmaker's suppliers could go bust without support.

The FT has figured out JLR have no insurance.

I'm not sure they'll take the full cost of recovery though - since the government is likely bailing out their key suppliers.

https://www.ft.com/content/c301e78a-38e7-4818-b367-14af85130c61

Client Challenge

For those who haven't been following JLR in detail, key chain of events:

1) JLR outsource key IT and infosec functions to TCS, approved by 1x director and 2x NEDs on both JLR and TCS boards

2) JLR transfer staff by TUPE to TCS

3) TCS lay off transferred UK staff, including cyber risk and governance and cyber monitoring

4) record profits for a decade

5) got hacked

6) company stops functioning

7) get government to bail out their key suppliers (in progress)

JLR have some of its IT systems back online. Production is still halted. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0q75q4l87no

I can’t see anything internet facing back online. Looks like they have bits of SAP back for supplier payment of historic orders.

Jaguar Land Rover restarts some IT systems after cyber-attack

The carmaker says it is working through a backlog of payments as its IT systems come back online.

If you’re wondering how JLR’s parent company, Tata Motors, is getting on - share price is up over the month. Investors don’t really care that a large part of the org shut down as they know the UK taxpayer will prop it up.
The Chair of the Business and Trade Committee, Liam Byrne MP, has today written to TCS asking probing questions about the attacks on Co-op, Marks and Spencer and Jaguar Land Rover. https://committees.parliament.uk/publications/49627/documents/264574/default/

Personally I think the UK is going to be one to watch now, as if I was an e-crime threat actor - I’d zero in on the UK.

Orgs have shown they will pay, teens getting in and poor MSPs shows poor security practices, the NCA won’t tell the ICO (data regulator) too around what actually happened, and the government will bail out orgs financially and provide IR help while they recover.

It’s all of the wrong messages being broadcast. Strap in.

If you look at the NCSC UK too, their remit is to help make the UK the safest place to do business..

but if you look at the general output lately, it’s quantum stuff and firewall espionage stuff. They’re good people but it feels too close to GCHQ, and so too far removed from the operational reality on the ground.

My view - saying the recent incidents should be a wake up call isn’t moving the needle enough in business.

So a lever is, if JLR need bailing out, put the PM on TV to announce it, explain why and the context of attacks on UK institutions, and announce paying all extortion attempts will be outlawed by the end of parliament. It would send shockwaves through business and force real resiliency planning.

@GossiTheDog surely some kind of insurance coverage could be a requirement for these organizations? they don't want to spend on their own infrastructure, they can pay higher premiums.

@lambtor insurance can only work if insurers can accurately assess and price risk. In an environment where the hazards are so dynamic, context-dependent, and adaptive to controls, that assessment and pricing is extremely difficult, hence why insurance has not, thus far, been a useful tool in managing information security risks.

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@womble @lambtor @GossiTheDog "too big to fail" is the insurance. Like the old saying about when you borrow enough money its the banks problem, if you employ enough people or have enough peoples pensions invested in you, failure becomes the government's problem, not the board's.