Rusty CorgiOkay Fedi, what's your chronically online hot take? 
🏳️⚧️Pastel The Skunk🏳️⚧️@Rusty dunno if its a chronically online hot take but I know its gonna make a lot of people angry but what the heck. Not every countries police is as bad as the US's and the fact that people treat it that way is pretty annoying and a continuation of the whole line of thinking of "everything everywhere is just like america" that I've seen quite a few americans believe over the years.
Ethical Complainer™@PastelFurry @Rusty ok, hot really. As an Indian who has 1st hand been a victim of police brutality here & also observe it around here, police are shit everywhere.
@Ethical_Complainer I'm a swede, living in Sweden cops are not perfect here but miles better than in the US. not everywhere around the world is just a copy of the US and people kinda need to wake up to that a bit.
@PastelFurry oh, you should have clarified that you are Nordic. Scandinavian countries tend to do pretty well generally overall compared to the rest of the world, so no surprises there. But still for the rest of the world I'd say the police fucking sucks & most people won't hesitate calling them pigs or dogs.
@Ethical_Complainer I thought I was pretty clear about not being american but my bad I guess. Also just a small nit picky thing but I'm not "Nordic" I'm Swedish there is a difference because "Nordic" could mean anything from Danish/Finnish/Icelandic/Swedish/Norwegian etc, and despite the common view a lot of people seem to hold we are not the same countries.
@PastelFurry I didn't say Nordic was a nationality 🙏🏽
@Ethical_Complainer No, but you could literally have said "Swedish" instead of Nordic, firstly because Scandinavian is the more accurate term and also is it that hard to refer to individual countries?
@PastelFurry
You're making it something I didn't mean to. Get over it.
You're making it something I didn't mean to. Get over it.
@Ethical_Complainer Sure sure, Fjöl av 👍
Leon@PastelFurry @Ethical_Complainer I think the reason for this is less because cops here are overall good, and more because we're a tiny nation so statistically egregious overstepping and abuse happens less often.
But it happens.
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/poliserna-slog-mig-15-ganger-i-skallen
Honestly, I think you'll find very few abusers that consider themselves to be immoral. I'm sure all the cops that beat up this man think they're good people.
The system failed in this case, and it was never rectified.
Väcktes av maskerad polis i sovrummet: ”Slog mig 15 gånger”
Babak Karimi blir felaktigt misstänkt för barnpornografi och hamnar mitt i insatsstyrkans razzia. Efter ingripandet har han blödande huvudskador. Han anmäler poliserna men ärendet läggs ned – eftersom det inte går att säga vem av dem som gjorde vad. – Jag ville explodera när jag förstod hur fel den svenska polisen kan ha.
@PastelFurry I'm not familiar with how Swedish police operate so I can't really speak to it, but I can say that I think police being decent is an exception and not the norm globally. I also would hazard that, while yes the police may be okay now, they would quickly become the tool of the oppressor if Sweden ever somehow fall to fascism. It's not that police are all universally bad, it's just that they hold a very abusable position, and it's worth asking ourselves if that position is worth the potential trade-offs of their existence. It's also worth mentioning that Swedish pulled race-related information out of statistical metrics for policing, so if there is institutional bias it'd be very hard to track.
@Rusty See your argument I can agree with. I do agree that its a very abusable institution I just have an issue with how most people tend to just phrase it as a "police bad cuz I said so" kinda thing and never really explain their position on it. Then again in my opinion a lot of institutions have both good and bad in them. And I deffo agree that the US cops are pretty horrible from what I see people describe and talk about but again I have completely different experiences seeing as I'm in a completely different country.
@PastelFurry Well, my experience with US cops has only ever been really positive. They don't abuse their authority with me, they've helped me out of a few instances, they coached me through when I knew someone going through a mental health crisis. Like. 
If we go off of the metric of my own experiences, cops are great.
That said, I'm also a cishet-passing white guy. 
There's a lot of privilege that affords me the ability to have a positive relationship with police. Not to say that everyone in Sweden is privileged but also, like, y'all are the fourth happiest country in the world. 
@Rusty Dunno how true that 4th happiest country is anymoe tbh. And I'm sure we are "priviliged" compared to a lot of other countries but that doesn't mean everything is sunshine and roses here, for example sure I get our version of social security so I can pay my rent and bills but it wont cover food so I either have to not buy food for long stretches of time or beg my parents for money, while my older brother is unemployed gets no money from the government or social security at all and is forced to live with my parents who themselves are retired and can barely afford to have him live with them.
@Rusty also sorry if the later part of that post comes off as aggressive, I misread a part of your statement as being "everyone in sweden is privileged" big dumb brain moment.
@PastelFurry I don't think everything is sunshine and roses there. The world is still a dumpsterfire and living one of the nicest sections of the dumpsterfire is still, y'know, living in a dumpsterfire. 
I consider myself privileged but I live part time with my parents and part time with friends because I can't afford a place to live or food on my own. Privilege isn't about having a great life, it's just about how interacting with some institutions can be less awful for you compared to other people based on some intrinsic quality.
I consider myself privileged but I live part time with my parents and part time with friends because I can't afford a place to live or food on my own. Privilege isn't about having a great life, it's just about how interacting with some institutions can be less awful for you compared to other people based on some intrinsic quality.@Rusty Good point, I think sometimes it's a bit hard for me to understand what people mean since there is a pretty big difference between US and Sweden and also I think sometimes my grasp on the english language or at least understanding it isn't as great as I think it is. But I do really appreciate reading this view on all of it because I've found that a lot of the time people don't really explain why they feel the way they feel about certain things and its more of a "because i said so" kinda thing.
@PastelFurry People have their own personal axioms that they assume everyone else has and I think it's hard to step outside of yourself sometimes and understand that not everyone else is at the same spot you're at. 
The US also has the additional problem of half of us being complete morons, and I think American leftists in particular are a little exasperated having to repeatedly explain themselves. 
I like being on Fedi more since I can assume most people in our furry fediverse bubble are pretty cool and anything we don't agree on usually leads to a healthy discussion (masto.social users randomly coming in and derailing the conversation aside 
)
And also I think your understanding of language is spot on. The stuff I was rambling at you about is the same stuff I've had to (repeatedly 
) explain to my own mother who, y'know, lives here.
@Rusty Yeah I've noticed a lot less "shouting" matches being on Fedi than most other places on the internet and I really like it.
@PastelFurry I think the only shouting match I've ever gotten into on Fedi was when someone called me spoiled because I said the iPhone should use USB-C 
That was a fun one.
That was a fun one.@Rusty That's certainly an interesting thing to get into a shouting match over xP
@PastelFurry Oh my gosh it was so dumb 
Pilou@Rusty @PastelFurry You've created a friendly community here. I was never a big fan of social media and disengaged with most of it but I stay here for the nice atmosphere you you instilled in Cubhub.
Big thank you for that!
@pilou @PastelFurry I think we got really lucky here since we have such a great community. 
Just somehow the coolest people on the planet happened to sign up here.
Just somehow the coolest people on the planet happened to sign up here.
Mewish Artist@Rusty @PastelFurry I LOVE this take honestly. ACAB can come off as "All police officers everywhere are absolutely horrible people!!!" which can be easily falsified if just one police officer is an actually pretty nice guy that just tries to help people out, rather than abuse power. People can also easily respond back with "Well... MY officer in my town wasn't a bastard to me. He was a chill guy"
On contrast, ACHAP - All Cops Hold Abusable Power, is a much more nuetral and, imo, useful way to look at systematic problems in the police force. It also has much more stable grounds to not be so easily falsified, despite having "All". (which usually makes a lot of statements easily falsifiable).
@MewishBab @PastelFurry I dunno if the goal of a good slogan to rally behind is supposed to be that it isn't falsifiable. A lot of times it's just meant to be provocative to spark engagement with the movement. 
And also ACHAP is waaayyy too passive for how many policing alternatives and reforms we need to be investing in.
And also ACHAP is waaayyy too passive for how many policing alternatives and reforms we need to be investing in.@Rusty @PastelFurry ACHAP may be too passive, but it is more specific about WHAT alternatives/reforms would be needed.
When I see ACAB, I just think "WHAT kinda reforms are you even wanting?? It just sounds like you are jobist against law enforcement in general". Which I know know isn't the case. But the first impression isn't all that great.
Meanwhile with ACHAP, I think "Ohhhhh! Interesting. I haven't thought about that before. I immediately wanna back you up and reform laws so that police officers don't abuse their power"
I dunno if this is my Autism or not, but I have a higher chance of rallying for Acronyms that are descriptive in their goals, rather than Acronyms that are provocative. This is because I can actually understand their viewpoint immediately from the acronym, rather doing guesswork.