So @sotolf reminded me of something I kind of love. The Japanese "30-hour system". Used in nightlife, broadcasting, and transport, the time extends the day past midnight to keep late-night events grouped with the same calendar day. So a club open from 11PM to 1AM might list its hours as 23:00–25:00.

We should all adopt this!

Sadly Wikipedia does not have a detailed page on this system in English but here is a little longer explanation:

https://skdesu.com/en/30-hours-from/

#Japan #30HourClock #TimeTrivia

@ruari @sotolf 😬 It's disturbing to me to see 24:00 used instead of 00:00, 25:00 is even worse! 😁 (But 12pm or 12am are still the worst as they don't indicate when they are!)
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I know that
@ruari had a trick for it, but I forgot, for some reason I internalised them as after midday and past midday, so I never know which of them are supposed to be in the morning, and which of them is in the evening :p I think am is early and pm is late, but am never 100% sure without having to look it up.

@sotolf The key bit is AM is morning and PM is after midday. If you want to know the order, one trick is just to remind yourself that alphabetically A is before P.

To know what to do with 12 itself, just remember it is actually the zero hour. So 12AM, 1AM, 2AM … 10AM, 11AM. That is then is followed by 12PM, 1PM, 2PM … 10PM, 11PM.

I would assume the reason we use 12 and not 0 is simply because 0 is a "relatively" new concept and timekeeping is old as fuck. 🤣

@FediThing

@ruari @sotolf I've seen people use it in both directions to the point of meaninglessness. Some people say 12pm to mean late at night, some say 12am to mean beginning of the morning 🤪

"Midday" and "midnight" avoid all this ambiguity, as does the 24 hour clock of course.

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Yes they do say or understand it wrong with regards to 12 and I touch on that in the article. It is why I specifically say that you should avoid AM/PM when talking about 12 altogether. Just don't do it!

The only reason I want to teach people how it is supposed to work is, so that you understand when someone else is talking to you or so that you can read a timetable for planes, trains, etc. when on holiday in the US [Though honestly, who is doing that anymore I guess… 😢 ].

@sotolf

@FediThing @sotolf Also relevant from my post. Right at the end…

@FediThing @sotolf Basically learn how itis supposed to work (12 is the zero hour) so you might understand Americans but never actually say 12AM or 12PM yourself, even when talking with Americans with their own terms.

P.S. It is not just Americans actually 😉, quite a long of the English speaking world uses AM/PM verbally (even those that would write 24 hour times).