Miakoda I don't "have autism".
I'm Autistic.
This is something I consider important.
I'm Autistic.
This is something I consider important.
Michael Weiss@hellomiakoda I assume because the former sounds more like a disease?
@mweiss It goes much much deeper than that.
I HAVE asthma. If you managed to cure my asthma, I am still the same me, I'm the same person.
Autism shaped everything that one would consider to be me. If you somehow removed autism, I, the person I am, would cease to exist. My body may or may not continue, but *I* wouldn't be there anymore.
Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama@hellomiakoda @mweiss
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but also yes. Everyone says that all your life, people “have,” Autism, like having cancer, then talking about a cure has more legs.
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“Having,” suggests there was a time you didn’t and there could be such a time again, and that has never been the case for any Autistic ever. No spontaneous “remissions ,” no miracle “cures,” no Indigenous remedies exist, there has never been any suggestion that Autism ever goes away, for any reason whatsoever.
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but also yes. Everyone says that all your life, people “have,” Autism, like having cancer, then talking about a cure has more legs.
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“Having,” suggests there was a time you didn’t and there could be such a time again, and that has never been the case for any Autistic ever. No spontaneous “remissions ,” no miracle “cures,” no Indigenous remedies exist, there has never been any suggestion that Autism ever goes away, for any reason whatsoever.
@punishmenthurts @hellomiakoda I've long thought of it more as like "having" brown eyes or red hair. A trait. But since "having" also applies to people with diseases, there's certainly more room for varying interpretations than there is with "being".
@mweiss @hellomiakoda
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ah, we’ve stumbled on it, haven’t we, it’s the old (Allistic, I think) group dynamics: they ARE and WE have, depending whether it’s a desirable thing to them or not. They ARE normal while we HAVE the ‘tism.
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That may not be the main part of that function, there’s a lot going on, we’ll BE when it serves them too.
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ah, we’ve stumbled on it, haven’t we, it’s the old (Allistic, I think) group dynamics: they ARE and WE have, depending whether it’s a desirable thing to them or not. They ARE normal while we HAVE the ‘tism.
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That may not be the main part of that function, there’s a lot going on, we’ll BE when it serves them too.
Looking for explanations…@punishmenthurts @mweiss @hellomiakoda
I’m not sure it’s allistic. I think the potential to see others this way is something we all have to watch out for, including us.
@Susan60 @mweiss @hellomiakoda
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well that’s the whole group dynamics theory, that all groups function that way - again, whenever they do something shitty, the whole world must have done it first.
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There’s a difference between, “we can make that mistake too,” and making that mistake all day every day and then declaring it a natural law to make that mistake. 💜
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well that’s the whole group dynamics theory, that all groups function that way - again, whenever they do something shitty, the whole world must have done it first.
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There’s a difference between, “we can make that mistake too,” and making that mistake all day every day and then declaring it a natural law to make that mistake. 💜
@punishmenthurts @mweiss @hellomiakoda
True, but I have known good allistics who are open to learning. Maybe they’re just undiagnosed. 😁
@Susan60 @mweiss @hellomiakoda
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oh, of course.
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Neurotype means something, though. if more than one type has the same trait in the same measure, that’s quite a coincidence. 🤨💜
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Surely if we have this outsized sense of fairness, that must be in reverse proportion to group prejudice? How do you have a full measure of both?
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oh, of course.
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Neurotype means something, though. if more than one type has the same trait in the same measure, that’s quite a coincidence. 🤨💜
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Surely if we have this outsized sense of fairness, that must be in reverse proportion to group prejudice? How do you have a full measure of both?
@punishmenthurts @mweiss @hellomiakoda
I think that even within our groups, we gravitate towards those most like us and then make generalisations about that group. For example, most of the ND people I speak to often on here are somewhat similar to me, and naturally they are wonderful. 😁
@Susan60 @mweiss @hellomiakoda
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my point isn’t to say we are like this and they are like that, my point is always just to audit the human sciences for neurodiversity. It’s not about who’s better, it’s about them (and maybe to a lesser degree, you) always saying everything they figure out is the same for everyone.
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my point isn’t to say we are like this and they are like that, my point is always just to audit the human sciences for neurodiversity. It’s not about who’s better, it’s about them (and maybe to a lesser degree, you) always saying everything they figure out is the same for everyone.
@punishmenthurts @mweiss @hellomiakoda
I think that’s also the arrogance of many majorities.
@Susan60 @mweiss @hellomiakoda
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“many majorities,” aren’t in charge of the world or your life, Allistic people are.
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We keep having this conversation, we should agree to disagree and stop.
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“many majorities,” aren’t in charge of the world or your life, Allistic people are.
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We keep having this conversation, we should agree to disagree and stop.
@punishmenthurts @mweiss @hellomiakoda
Yes, I think that’s a good idea.