Mastodawn

The old web was decentralized:

- Newsgroups
- Personal Websites
- Bulletin board
- Email as a service, not a platform
- Internet relay chat (IRC)
- Early blogs

Then corporations arrived with money and lock-in, turning the internet into centralized ad farms (Meta, X, TikTok). Users became consumers, trapped in algorithms, tracking, and enshittification. Revenue more important than people.

The Fediverse is a way back: no ads, no algorithms, no dark patterns. People first. A web worth reclaiming. And open source is the engine of this transformation.

Take back the web. Decentralize again 💪 Bring people to the Fediverse, promote open source and build federated services.

#TakeBackTheWeb #Decentralized #Fediverse #StopBigTech #OpenSource #DeGoogle #UnplugTrump

42net Sep 21, 2025

@Larvitz When are we going to build the Internet 2.0?...one that is actually designed to be private and secure. The Dept. of Defense kept the good one for itself. Can we actually just keep patching this one up forever? Haven't we learned from Windows example?

[nate@social0 ~]$

@Nobodyknows789 @Larvitz What exactly does that look like though? Just another series of protocols that run alongside the old? or a whole new isolated infrastructure?

"The internet" isn't what's broken. As long as you keep to its true meaning, a series of interconnects spanning the globe. What's broken is what we're all doing with it. that's not necessarily a technology problem. that's a people problem.

The fix isn't a new internet. it's awareness that the big tech lock in capitalism fueled walled gardens are bad for us. But that's a huge enough mountain to climb

42net Sep 21, 2025

@gangrif @Larvitz A ground up approach would be best. All new infrastructure, agreed upon protocols with the flexibility for news ones to interoperate well with existing ones. Of course this means open-source, which can't be monetized very well, so no one would ever spend the amount needed. I never said had a viable solution...I would just like it!😋 ✌️

[nate@social0 ~]$

@Nobodyknows789 @Larvitz I feel like it's the fediverse adoption problem at a whole new scale though. It'll never work. The protocols of the existing web are already open. and founded on open principles. i have trouble seeing why we need a whole new one.

Khleedril Sep 21, 2025

@gangrif @Nobodyknows789 @Larvitz We need a new one because the old one was built on naive principles, such as there not being any nefarious people in the world and the network not carrying any actually valuable information.

A new one needs to be intrinsically end-to-end encrypted and packet-mixed, #4opens and usable without hindrance or unwanted consequence.

[nate@social0 ~]$

@khleedril @Nobodyknows789 @Larvitz Why can't we do that on the current infrastructure?

Khleedril Sep 21, 2025

@gangrif @Nobodyknows789 @Larvitz Because you have to give money to some centralizer to get the effect. And you can't trust that the government agencies haven't got back-doors into those.

For example, which mixing VPN gives you the #4opens?

42net Sep 21, 2025

@khleedril @gangrif @Larvitz See...I just assume our govt agencies have backdoors (thanks compusec 101). It's prudent thinking. I know I'm not doing anything wrong. So, I don't worry about it much. I'm not overly tied to my devices. I haven't used social media (joined mastodon a few days ago) in a 5 or 6 yrs. I find it lacking in humanity

Khleedril Sep 21, 2025

@Nobodyknows789 @gangrif @Larvitz The problem here is that you feel safe, but there are people in parts of the world who cannot feel safe (Americans, ha!), and the system (packet mixing) only works if everyone does it, otherwise the nasty agencies have an immediate handle on those who are evading the intrusion: the ones connecting to mixing services.

42net Sep 21, 2025

@khleedril @gangrif @Larvitz I'm an american...trust me, I don't feel particularly safe at the moment!😬 I try not to be overly worried...that type of stress messes with neurotransmitters, then everything goes wrong. It's ok when govt agencies are run by sane, qualified people (show them tangible evidence and they take that into consideration)...not the case at this time.

[nate@social0 ~]$

@Nobodyknows789 @khleedril @Larvitz Well. at least we can hope that in 3ish years sanity can return. But that may be a stretch. :p

Government spying is a whole different ball of wax. in many cases the government owns the infrastructure or a stake in the one who owns the infrastructure. So unless we're running tin cans and strings across the globe to make our own network (because what else could we afford at that scale?) you're not getting away from that.

Khleedril Sep 21, 2025

@gangrif @Nobodyknows789 @Larvitz It can be done with #4opens.

hamish campbell Sep 21, 2025

@khleedril @gangrif @Nobodyknows789 @Larvitz

We need to start the work with the tools we have, as creating new ones is adding to the mess... what can we build #4opens with the current tools?

A website going back 20 years on this subject https://hamishcampbell.com/

And a hard work path out of the current #tecsith mess, we find our selves in #OMN

#OMN (Open Media Network) – Hamish Campbell an #openweb organic intellectual and technologist

[nate@social0 ~]$

@hamishcampbell @khleedril @Nobodyknows789 @Larvitz So 4opens is a concept, not a technology. got it. i'm familiar with the concept (which i hope is obvious). just never heard the term.

Ever heard of the cult of the dead cow's Veilid project?

The idea is a secure but open and anonymous network of nodes running on the existing internet. then you create applications that use the network.

@gangrif @hamishcampbell @Nobodyknows789 @Larvitz Yes, there's Veilid, and GNUnet to name another. They are movements in the right direction.

hamish campbell Sep 22, 2025

@khleedril @gangrif @Nobodyknows789 @Larvitz

What do you think of https://dat-ecosystem.org/ as a building block of the #p2p part of the #OMN project?

dat-ecosystem - explore p2p projects

dat-ecosystem is a post-web p2p community of projects - Most projects are self funded. Some of the projects contribute maintainance and development to core pieces of the Dat ecosystem while others create high level applications built on top of p2p protocols.

Khleedril Sep 22, 2025

@hamishcampbell @gangrif @Nobodyknows789 @Larvitz

TBH that web site doesn't do them any favours, however clever it is.

[nate@social0 ~]$

@khleedril @hamishcampbell @Nobodyknows789 @Larvitz veilid.net? it's not that bad... but it's definitely the problem that plagues many good projects. Good developers do not necessarily make good designers

Khleedril Sep 22, 2025

@gangrif @hamishcampbell @Nobodyknows789 @Larvitz Talking about https://dat-ecosystem.org/

dat-ecosystem - explore p2p projects

dat-ecosystem is a post-web p2p community of projects - Most projects are self funded. Some of the projects contribute maintainance and development to core pieces of the Dat ecosystem while others create high level applications built on top of p2p protocols.

[nate@social0 ~]$

@khleedril @hamishcampbell @Nobodyknows789 @Larvitz hm.. that web site is actually pretty neat!