UN assembly votes overwhelmingly to back two-state solution to Israel-Palestinian conflict

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UN assembly votes overwhelmingly to back two-state solution to Israel-Palestinian conflict - Uplifting News - Mbin

> The 193-member world body approved [September 13] a nonbinding resolution endorsing the “New York Declaration,” which sets out a phased plan to end the nearly 80-year conflict. The vote was 142-10 with 12 abstentions.

There is no two-state solution on stolen land.
I doubt mass deporting Israeli Jews will gain much support either, and without that you'd just end up with Jim Crow—the US racial discrimination in spite of the anti-slavery Civil War—where the Israeli majority will just democratically tyrannize the Palestinians, not much better than the status quo but with way less bombs blowing up.

I don’t think there’d be a Jewish majority if Palestinian refugees are granted the right to return from Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, etc.

Also, a lot of Jewish people would outright refuse to live in decolonized Palestine. They’d rather live in Europe than in a country they are forced to share with Palestinians. Without apartheid and a Jewish ethnostate, the Middle East loses a lot of its appeal.

Especially when a lot of them lose their property because it’s fucking stolen.

that seems like a big risk to take. alternatively palestinian refugees could choose to just not return because of all the recent horrors and shaky stability. plus, jim crow dominated even black-majority areas.

I think Palestinians have demonstrated over and over that they are willing to stay on the land even at the risk of their own lives.

Israelis, meanwhile, flee the country whenever things get difficult. Their population growth is negative at the moment.

Also, Jim Crow and the defeat of Reconstruction happened because slave owners weren’t imprisoned for their crimes or stripped of their wealth and/or property. They lost their slaves, they didn’t lose their land or even their social or political power. They had business relations and could recover. We don’t have to make that mistake again. Every war criminal goes to prison and pays reparations, every person on stolen land gets their land seized, then you won’t have a similar repeat of Jim Crow.

I think Palestinians have demonstrated over and over that they are willing to stay on the land even at the risk of their own lives.

Not the ones that have fled.

Denazification worked, what are you talking about?

The modern German government is very good at going against Nazis, but that is not because of Denazification, which turned into just filing paperwork.

Very soon after the program started, due to the emergence of the Cold War, the western powers and the United States in particular began to lose interest in the program, somewhat mirroring the Reverse Course in American-occupied Japan. Denazification was carried out in an increasingly lenient and lukewarm way until being officially abolished in 1951. The American government soon came to view the program as ineffective and counterproductive. Additionally, the program was hugely unpopular in West Germany, where many Nazis maintained positions of power. Denazification was opposed by the new West German government of Konrad Adenauer,[4] who declared that ending the process was necessary for West German rearmament.[5]

From the same article you quoted:

On the other hand, in the Soviet occupation zone and later East Germany, denazification was considered as a critical element of the transformation into a socialist society, and the country was stricter in opposing Nazism than its counterpart.

The US and other Western powers lost interest because the US was sympathetic to the Nazis.

The lesson here is that Iran and the Axis of Resistance should be the ones in charge of de-Zionification, rather than Zionist-sympathizers.

Russia does not have a good track record of upholding Soviet dexterity of handling matters either, though.

Reconstruction was defeated by white terrorism of the former slave-owning class, it didn’t just fail on its own for no reason because the Republicans were stupid or because it’s impossible to defeat racism. The former ruling class never had their land seized or their wealth taken or their social networks broken. If the old power structure isn’t dismantled and the old ruling class isn’t imprisoned they’ll just rebuild. That’s why Soviet denazification worked and why US denazification and reconstruction both failed.

Also, you must realize the logical conclusion to your argument is that the Confederacy should have been allowed to exist as part of a two state solution? Like, what exactly would be the difference?

The same issues would be present in Israel. The Radical Republicans did take over all slaveowner land briefly in the aftermath of the war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forty_acres_and_a_mule. I'm not sure what actual actions you're proposing to break the social networks of oppressors.

you must realize the logical conclusion to your argument is that the Confederacy should have been allowed to exist as part of a two state solution? Like, what exactly would be the difference?

The North had far more people (and this representation) and economic power, even excluding the political power freedmen would give them if they had stuck to their original plan of at least maintaining the integrity of the polls.

Forty acres and a mule - Wikipedia