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UN assembly votes overwhelmingly to back two-state solution to Israel-Palestinian conflict

UN assembly votes overwhelmingly to back two-state solution... #worldnews #israel #palestine #un #ceasefire #upliftingnews

https://kbin.melroy.org/m/upliftingnew[email protected]/t/1202746

UN assembly votes overwhelmingly to back two-state solution to Israel-Palestinian conflict - Uplifting News - Mbin

> The 193-member world body approved [September 13] a nonbinding resolution endorsing the “New York Declaration,” which sets out a phased plan to end the nearly 80-year conflict. The vote was 142-10 with 12 abstentions.

Sep 21, 2025 at 12:05amWeb
Show threadmrdownSep 21, 2025
No country can claim to back up a two state solution while providing zero concrete measures if israel refuse to do it
Show threadAatubeSep 21, 2025
for one thing, Saudi Arabia is bribing the US, though it's questionable whether that'd work
Show threadmrdownSep 21, 2025
Qatar bribed trump then allowed israel to bomb qatar
Show threadbrucethemooseSep 22, 2025
And Qatar is kinda pissed about that, to be fair.
Show threadmrdownSep 22, 2025
They are kinda pissed then what?
Show threadbrucethemooseSep 22, 2025

Shrug.

Qatar has been quite the friendly mediator though. Any pretense of Trump’s ‘wins’ in the Middle East start to disappear without Qatar.

Show threadmrdownSep 22, 2025
Israel and thr usa don’t want mediation they want to exterminate palestinians from palestine
Show threadDominusOfMegadeusSep 21, 2025
Which they will absolutely refuse to do
Show threadwoelkchenSep 21, 2025
Ah yes, the approach that’s failing since 80 years surely going to work this time.
Show threadscarabicSep 22, 2025
It was always going to be a one-state solution. I’d hoped that state would be a pluralistic home for the Israelis and Palestinians, but they’re closer than ever to slamming the door tight on a single ethnostate for Jews, with not so much as a disputed territory beside.
Show threadwoelkchenSep 22, 2025

a pluralistic home for the Israelis and Palestinians

Would be a welcome change if diplomatic efforts at least started to attempt a different approach such as this instead of sticking to the same formula that fails since eight decades.

Show threadscarabicSep 22, 2025
The problem is that it’s a non-starter for the Israelis, who want a formal Jewish ethnostate, not a pluralistic society where they happen to have good representation. Israel is a modern society and despite their best efforts, their birth rate is declining just like every other modern nation. This is a long term problem for them, being massively outnumbered by Muslims in the surrounding region, and having already 2 million Arabs living in Israel, or 20% of the nation. They fear they will fall behind demographically and their grand project will become just another Islamofacist state over time.
Show threadbrucethemooseSep 22, 2025

And… I guess this is why American conservatism is such an ally?

The “displacement” of ‘traditional’ American Christians (subtext: white) is viewed as an existential issue, and I guess it’s because the birth rates+immigration of other groups and is so much higher. This is why they want to end birthright citizenship, clamp down immigration and such so badly; it’s viewed as existential cultural displacement.

Same as some Israelis feel I guess. Do nothing, and Muslims will crowd out Jews.

Being afraid of religions or races mixing is, of course, beyond bonkers. I’m ashamed Americans are so afraid of their country turning an ambiguous brown, like its some existential issue.

But I guess I see the link more clearly than I did before. MAGA’s support of Israel otherwise feels kinda weird given their antisemetic undercurrents.

Show threadscarabicSep 22, 2025

Well they might be antisemitic but they hate Arabs too, and with a much less complicated, pure and dehumanizing hatred. At least Jewish people can be mistaken for white.

Plus, if you hate Jews, don’t you want them to have their own country to fuck off to? And if they destabilize and oppress the Arab world in the process? Win-win.

Jewish interests are also just better mobilized in the US. They have a good story as our best ally in a fucked region, and they’ve succeeded in telling that story. As far back as Abraham Lincoln there has also been compassion for the Jewish people and a desire to see them in a secure homeland. But at this point that seems to be a distant third or fourth in terms of motivations to support Israel.

Show threadbrucethemooseSep 22, 2025

I think you underestimate hardcore MAGA’s antisemitism, lol. And slightly overestimate the racism (which is more ‘oldschool’)

You are not wrong about Jewish mobilization.

There’s just different stories told to different people, I think. Evangelical purists get the ‘cultural contamination’ story to sympathize with (as that’s what they want in the US). Old folks get the decades-old broadcast TV version of Israel. MAGA and oldschool Republicans get the radical islam angle, hardcore MAGA get’s a kind of altered reality where Trump is actually the anti-interventionists here (as they still hate Israel), he’s just working towards that, somehow.

I really think most of the branding isn’t ‘brown people.’ Even though there is a lot of islamophobia in the US, one of MAGA’s core tenents is technically non-interventionalism.

Show threadscarabicSep 22, 2025

There’s just different stories told to different people, I think.

Yeah that’s a smart take. Most things work that way.

one of MAGA’s core tenants is technically non-interventionalism

(friendly spell check: you mean tenet, not tenant)

I agree this is supposedly one of their tenets but it’s one they seem very idiosyncratic about. They cry non-intervention when they don’t care about something, but seem happy to call for intervention when they do. Maybe this isn’t cognitive dissonance but just having a high bar for intervention. If their bar criteria were clear, it would be easier to say so.

Show threadqueermunist she/herSep 21, 2025
There is no two-state solution on stolen land.
Show threadAatubeSep 21, 2025
I doubt mass deporting Israeli Jews will gain much support either, and without that you'd just end up with Jim Crow—the US racial discrimination in spite of the anti-slavery Civil War—where the Israeli majority will just democratically tyrannize the Palestinians, not much better than the status quo but with way less bombs blowing up.
Show threadqueermunist she/herSep 21, 2025

I don’t think there’d be a Jewish majority if Palestinian refugees are granted the right to return from Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, etc.

Also, a lot of Jewish people would outright refuse to live in decolonized Palestine. They’d rather live in Europe than in a country they are forced to share with Palestinians. Without apartheid and a Jewish ethnostate, the Middle East loses a lot of its appeal.

Especially when a lot of them lose their property because it’s fucking stolen.

Show threadAatubeSep 21, 2025
that seems like a big risk to take. alternatively palestinian refugees could choose to just not return because of all the recent horrors and shaky stability. plus, jim crow dominated even black-majority areas.
Show threadqueermunist she/herSep 21, 2025

I think Palestinians have demonstrated over and over that they are willing to stay on the land even at the risk of their own lives.

Israelis, meanwhile, flee the country whenever things get difficult. Their population growth is negative at the moment.

Also, Jim Crow and the defeat of Reconstruction happened because slave owners weren’t imprisoned for their crimes or stripped of their wealth and/or property. They lost their slaves, they didn’t lose their land or even their social or political power. They had business relations and could recover. We don’t have to make that mistake again. Every war criminal goes to prison and pays reparations, every person on stolen land gets their land seized, then you won’t have a similar repeat of Jim Crow.

Show threadAatubeSep 21, 2025

I think Palestinians have demonstrated over and over that they are willing to stay on the land even at the risk of their own lives.

Not the ones that have fled.

Show threadqueermunist she/herSep 21, 2025
Denazification worked, what are you talking about?
Show threadAatubeSep 21, 2025

The modern German government is very good at going against Nazis, but that is not because of Denazification, which turned into just filing paperwork.

Very soon after the program started, due to the emergence of the Cold War, the western powers and the United States in particular began to lose interest in the program, somewhat mirroring the Reverse Course in American-occupied Japan. Denazification was carried out in an increasingly lenient and lukewarm way until being officially abolished in 1951. The American government soon came to view the program as ineffective and counterproductive. Additionally, the program was hugely unpopular in West Germany, where many Nazis maintained positions of power. Denazification was opposed by the new West German government of Konrad Adenauer,[4] who declared that ending the process was necessary for West German rearmament.[5]

Show threadqueermunist she/herSep 22, 2025

From the same article you quoted:

On the other hand, in the Soviet occupation zone and later East Germany, denazification was considered as a critical element of the transformation into a socialist society, and the country was stricter in opposing Nazism than its counterpart.

The US and other Western powers lost interest because the US was sympathetic to the Nazis.

The lesson here is that Iran and the Axis of Resistance should be the ones in charge of de-Zionification, rather than Zionist-sympathizers.

Show threadAatubeSep 22, 2025
Russia does not have a good track record of upholding Soviet dexterity of handling matters either, though.
Show threadqueermunist she/herSep 22, 2025

Reconstruction was defeated by white terrorism of the former slave-owning class, it didn’t just fail on its own for no reason because the Republicans were stupid or because it’s impossible to defeat racism. The former ruling class never had their land seized or their wealth taken or their social networks broken. If the old power structure isn’t dismantled and the old ruling class isn’t imprisoned they’ll just rebuild. That’s why Soviet denazification worked and why US denazification and reconstruction both failed.

Also, you must realize the logical conclusion to your argument is that the Confederacy should have been allowed to exist as part of a two state solution? Like, what exactly would be the difference?

Show threadAatubeSep 22, 2025

The same issues would be present in Israel. The Radical Republicans did take over all slaveowner land briefly in the aftermath of the war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forty_acres_and_a_mule. I'm not sure what actual actions you're proposing to break the social networks of oppressors.

you must realize the logical conclusion to your argument is that the Confederacy should have been allowed to exist as part of a two state solution? Like, what exactly would be the difference?

The North had far more people (and this representation) and economic power, even excluding the political power freedmen would give them if they had stuck to their original plan of at least maintaining the integrity of the polls.

Forty acres and a mule - Wikipedia

Show threadرضاSep 21, 2025

Did you know that is the reason my country (Iran) voted no to this resolution?

because Iran backs one state that everyone lives in it and refugees have come back.

Show threadMaeveSep 21, 2025
https://en.tempo.co/read/2049870/israeli-palestinian-two-state-solution-who-voted-against-or-abstained
Israeli-Palestinian Two-State Solution: Who Voted Against or Abstained?

On Friday, UNGA held a vote on a two-state solution for Israel and Palestine, with 142 votes in favor, 10 against, and 12 abstention.

TEMPO.CO
Show threadgedaliyahSep 21, 2025

This requires Israel removing Netanyahu and his far right alliance from power, and Palestine building a stable elected government.

Netanyahu might be removed in the next election because Israelis are fed up with his military aggression that has failed to eliminate Hamas or free the remaining hostages. This is an election year.

The Palestinian authority has to be completely dismantled and rebuilt with new elections and authority to properly govern. Abbas is about to enter the 21st year of his 4 year term.

Show threadBillySep 21, 2025

He was removed in 2022 and barely got back in the last election (Current gov was elected with 49.5% of the voters). Plus for the last 2 years, the polls show the gov parties don’t have nearly enough support to get reelected.
Problem is there’s a high chance they’ll interfere with the elections.

And this will have to come with some measures or support for deradicalized education and support for joint Palestinian-Israeli organizations that bring people together like Standing Together, Combatants for Peace, etc.

Show threadOnyxonblackSep 21, 2025
Semi-serious alternative. Weird and crazy. China Mieville’s The City & the City… Could it work here?
Show threadkibiz0rSep 21, 2025
IIRC, the UN has held this same vote (with the same result) on a regular basis for decades. This isn’t a new development.
Show threadplz1Sep 21, 2025
It’s so surreal this is referred to as the New York Declaration but the US votes against it. I’m sure there’s history there, but I just see the irony on the surface.
Show threadCouldBeBetterSep 21, 2025
There is already a two state solution. It’s what is happening currently and Israel has systematically chipped away at it for 75 years. They will not stop until they have erased any possibility of a Palestinian state. The solution is one state where everyone has equal rights.
Show threadWorldsDumbestManSep 22, 2025

They have been trying the same shit with Serbia and Albania. Instead of letting us agree on anything, they encourage Albanians to lash out because “we are the bad guys”. We could split Kosovo on the Serbian inhabited side and Albanian. But nooo, they feel entitled to an ethnic cleansing, as if that’s how it’s supposed to work.

We could wipe them off the map before the UN could even react.

Show threadRaivoKulliSep 22, 2025
I don’t think either side wants that tbh
Show threadArt3misSep 22, 2025
Two Palestines seems like a lot, but okay
Show threadWorldsDumbestManSep 22, 2025
I used to say shit like this out of protest, but people took be literally and villainized me. Glad people recognize a parody nowadays.
Show threadArt3misSep 22, 2025
I am ashkenazi jewish and i think if the “israelis” want to stay in the holy land, they should be given palestinian citizenship and learnt o live alongside their literal cousins. Modern israel is a settler colonial project propped up by the american military industrial compelx and as such will never be an equitable solution.
Show threadWorldsDumbestManSep 22, 2025
I just realized this is uplifting news. Of all the things, who is this delusional to think this is actually good news? They are just mucking around and doing nothing. The UN is dead in my eyes.
Show threadNocturnalMorningSep 23, 2025
The holy land is a myth. We are literally killing people over a 2000 year old myth, it is maddening that in modern society we act like we know what the fuck was going on 2000 years ago and someone somewhere owns it bcz a fucking book says so… Hell, we dont know what was going on 50 years ago.
Show threadArt3misSep 23, 2025
It is holy in the same sense that indigenous lands are sacred. And yet there the zionists go, slaughtering the indigenous. Its almost like it was based on Manifest Destiny (it was)
Show threadNocturnalMorningSep 23, 2025
Only this time the irony is lost on the dickwads doing it. A generation ago their grandparents and parents were the ones getting murdered just for existing. Survivors of the holocaust would be ashamed of their behavior.
Show threadResonositySep 22, 2025
L. One state solution or nothing. These fucking fools
Show threadgandalf_der_12teSep 22, 2025

one state solution

Show threadResonositySep 23, 2025
The only option
Show threadGoldholz Sep 23, 2025
Only if its truely secular
Show threadbirdwingSep 24, 2025
Minus the Golan heights, and sure.
Show threadWorldsDumbestManSep 22, 2025
Great! I’m sure all 0 living Palestinians remaining will be glad to hear that…
Show threadbrucethemooseSep 22, 2025

There’s basically no way two-state will work anymore, right?

Maybe a few decades ago. But even if Bibi was magically removed for the most pro-Palestine government possible, and Palestine was rebuilt from rubble with massive aid, it feels like things are ‘written into a corner’ and there is just too much radicalization and blood for two hypothetical states to leave each other alone.

Show threadAatubeSep 22, 2025
And being under the same state will remove that tension?
Show threadbrucethemooseSep 22, 2025

No.

I’m not really sure what a good solution is anymore, other than holding Israel severely accountable (which is apparently impossible :/)

Show threadhomura1650Sep 22, 2025

The most plausible path forward I see is the Native American model from the USA.

  • Genocide and ethnically cleanse the target population into progressively smaller reservations. (Israel is here)

  • Sign treaties recognizing the target population as a sovereign entity existing within the borders and legal framework of the parent nation.

  • targeted population demilitarized. It’s people become increasingly integrated into the parent nation.

  • Civil rights movement for members of the targeted population within the parent nation.

  • Develop an esoteric field of law clarifying what “sovereign entity existing within the borders and legal framework of the parent nation” even means.

  • Gradually chip away at the targeted population through a combination of progressively narrowing the scope of law covered in (5), and the natural integration of the targeted population into the host population (US is here)

    • Show threadTexas_HangoverSep 23, 2025
    Are the Palestinians at least going to get some casinos in a couple hundred years?
    Show threadbirdwingSep 24, 2025
    As long as any Palestinian lives, a two-state solution is possible. We need to support the downfall of fascism, and that can only occur with support of Palestina.
    Show threadSoftestSapphicSep 22, 2025

    So the UN is gonna execute Netanyahu and his entire cabinet? And oversee the Israli government for the foreseeable future until the state of Palestine is restored and armed equally with Isreal?

    That’s what’s required to make this right

    Show threadkaty ✨Sep 22, 2025
    so if you recognise a two state solution then you recognise palestine’s right to defend itself, right? - padme