Fight Chat ControlSep 14, 2025

Danish Minister of Justice and chief architect of the current Chat Control proposal, Peter Hummelgaard:

"We must break with the totally erroneous perception that it is everyone's civil liberty to communicate on encrypted messaging services."

Share your thoughts via https://fightchatcontrol.eu/, or to [email protected] directly.

Source: https://www.ft.dk/samling/20231/almdel/REU/spm/1426/index.htm

Show threadOndřej PokornýSep 14, 2025
@chatcontrol We must break with the totally erroneous perception that it is technically feasible to outlaw encryption.
Show threadJiří Fiala Total LandscapingSep 15, 2025
@ondra @chatcontrol they're not outlawing encryption. Chat Control is to be implemented BEFORE encryption (or after decryption) 💀
Show threadOndřej PokornýSep 15, 2025

@stooovie @chatcontrol They'd essentially have to in the end, though. There's a ton of encrypted communication tools already out there, including their source code. Mandating "chat control" would mean that anything that allows end-to-end encrypted communication between people would become illegal. What about the non-EU versions that won't comply? S/MIME or PGP encrypted mail? Etc. It all has to be banned as well, right?

As @qbe just wrote: https://chaos.social/@qbe/115208564779298861

cube (@[email protected])

@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] they can't. They would have to basically outlaw non-approved apps to be installed or used on any computer in Europe. Cory Doctorow has talked about this multiple times; authoritarians and Capitalists would love to put the Turing machine back into the proverbial bottle … but it doesn't work like that. You cannot exclude a Turing machine from doing "a specific thing". You cannot subtract features from a Turing machine, because it has only one feature: turing-completedness

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Show threadJiří Fiala Total LandscapingSep 15, 2025
@ondra @chatcontrol @qbe the govs can put so much pressure though that services we can actually get people to use (Signal is at the nerdy end of that spectrum) will a) buckle down b) leave EU. So essentially this debate is pointless. I'm sure there will still be secure protocols without the intrusion of CC, but good luck getting people to use them
Show threadonterof
@stooovie @ondra @chatcontrol @qbe Did EU ever really enforce their laws, when it comes to big tech companies? And even if they did - which would take minimum 5+ years then it's VPN time. From a user perspective it doesn't matter where Signal etc. have their servers. Institutions/lawmakers should finally accept they can not win this cat and mouse game (instead of thinking regulation tech would work like any other industry), it just makes everything even worse, economically speaking.
Sep 17, 2025 at 11:01amWeb
Show threadcubeSep 17, 2025

@onterof @stooovie @ondra @chatcontrol the problem is, the regulation not working will not lead them to rethink their approach, it will lead them to even more drastic regulation.

We have seen it happen with copyright. Watch the 28c3 Cory Doctorow talk.

I think we need to point out to politicians that any kind of "prevent computer from computing X" or "prevent transmission of X over network" will NEVER work, and trying to make it work will destroy a lot of things