Fight Chat ControlSep 14, 2025

Danish Minister of Justice and chief architect of the current Chat Control proposal, Peter Hummelgaard:

"We must break with the totally erroneous perception that it is everyone's civil liberty to communicate on encrypted messaging services."

Share your thoughts via https://fightchatcontrol.eu/, or to [email protected] directly.

Source: https://www.ft.dk/samling/20231/almdel/REU/spm/1426/index.htm

Show threadOndřej PokornýSep 14, 2025
@chatcontrol We must break with the totally erroneous perception that it is technically feasible to outlaw encryption.
Show threadJiří Fiala Total Landscaping
@ondra @chatcontrol they're not outlawing encryption. Chat Control is to be implemented BEFORE encryption (or after decryption) 💀
Sep 15, 2025 at 2:16pmWeb
Show threadOndřej PokornýSep 15, 2025

@stooovie @chatcontrol They'd essentially have to in the end, though. There's a ton of encrypted communication tools already out there, including their source code. Mandating "chat control" would mean that anything that allows end-to-end encrypted communication between people would become illegal. What about the non-EU versions that won't comply? S/MIME or PGP encrypted mail? Etc. It all has to be banned as well, right?

As @qbe just wrote: https://chaos.social/@qbe/115208564779298861

cube (@[email protected])

@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] they can't. They would have to basically outlaw non-approved apps to be installed or used on any computer in Europe. Cory Doctorow has talked about this multiple times; authoritarians and Capitalists would love to put the Turing machine back into the proverbial bottle … but it doesn't work like that. You cannot exclude a Turing machine from doing "a specific thing". You cannot subtract features from a Turing machine, because it has only one feature: turing-completedness

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Show threadJiří Fiala Total LandscapingSep 15, 2025
@ondra @chatcontrol @qbe the govs can put so much pressure though that services we can actually get people to use (Signal is at the nerdy end of that spectrum) will a) buckle down b) leave EU. So essentially this debate is pointless. I'm sure there will still be secure protocols without the intrusion of CC, but good luck getting people to use them
Show threadcubeSep 15, 2025

@stooovie @ondra @chatcontrol granted, the EU can force companies operating within EU to comply. But that just means that specifically the "criminal communication" which CC were supposed to catch, would immediately move to the dozens of already existing open-source E2E messaging solutions.

So CC would only work in the way that they specifically claim it wouldn't; to create a broad surveillance machine.

For anything else, they would have to take away our general computation, which they can't.

Show threadJiří Fiala Total LandscapingSep 15, 2025
@qbe @ondra @chatcontrol I agree, yes. My point is NOT that Chat Control is no big deal, on the contrary. It's a huge fkn deal, and burying heads in the sand with "no worries, there will always be means to securely communicate" is missing the point
Show threadOndřej PokornýSep 15, 2025
@stooovie @qbe @chatcontrol Oh if that's how you understood my comment, then that's definitely not the message I wanted to convey. I'd love them to finally give up these futile attempts. I'm not taking it lightly and had written to my representatives to oppose this.
Show threadJiří Fiala Total LandscapingSep 15, 2025
@ondra @qbe @chatcontrol thank you for that yeah. Maybe I misunderstood. I get that sentiment ("there will always be SnikkitySnak running on Tails OS, so no big deal") a lot on here.
Show threadcubeSep 15, 2025
@stooovie @ondra @chatcontrol yeah, my point is not a "well, I will always have secure communication so I am disinterested in this discussion". My point is that this entire endeavor is foolish and should be mocked and exposed as stupid and ineffectual, if not plain evil.
Show threadJiří Fiala Total LandscapingSep 15, 2025
@qbe @ondra @chatcontrol yes, agreed
Show threadNull03Sep 15, 2025
@stooovie @qbe @ondra In addition, It's not just encryption we are fighting against. Also mandated Age verification in apps, ALL apps and websites. Even if they don't even get contact with people, those can get blocked. I do not want to send my credit card to watch cat videos on Instagram to a random company. Anonymity is over too if it passes - a right to privacy. And needless to say people will loose access to apps under the age. Like 16 to whatssap, messager and all chatting apps like that.
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Show threadNull03Sep 15, 2025
@stooovie @qbe @ondra Patrick even spoke about Minecraft ! MINECRAFT! One thing you could argue is roblox and even then I don't agree with full on age verification on EVERYTHING (besides the ones under the age of 13, 13 year Olds won't be able to access app store to those apps. The same for 16 year Olds for 16 year Olds. Imagine a 16 year old not be able to use the school whatssap group.. or the family group..)
Show threadonterofSep 17, 2025
@stooovie @ondra @chatcontrol @qbe Did EU ever really enforce their laws, when it comes to big tech companies? And even if they did - which would take minimum 5+ years then it's VPN time. From a user perspective it doesn't matter where Signal etc. have their servers. Institutions/lawmakers should finally accept they can not win this cat and mouse game (instead of thinking regulation tech would work like any other industry), it just makes everything even worse, economically speaking.
Show threadcubeSep 17, 2025

@onterof @stooovie @ondra @chatcontrol the problem is, the regulation not working will not lead them to rethink their approach, it will lead them to even more drastic regulation.

We have seen it happen with copyright. Watch the 28c3 Cory Doctorow talk.

I think we need to point out to politicians that any kind of "prevent computer from computing X" or "prevent transmission of X over network" will NEVER work, and trying to make it work will destroy a lot of things

Show thread⊥ᵒᵚ Cᵸᵎᶺᵋᶫ∸ᵒᵘ ☑️Sep 17, 2025
@ondra @stooovie @chatcontrol @qbe the OS could just root your keyboard inputs...