Welcome to today's thread - 2025 #CrossBorderRail Conclusions Tour Day 01 - Ravières - Montbard - Paris - Stuttgart - Nürnberg - Marktredwitz
Today's re-visited borders:
Kehl 🇩🇪 - Krimmeri-Meinau 🇫🇷
(how long will Dobrindt’s ridiculous controls delay my train?)
Borders map, inc. borders re-visited:
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-all-the-borders_935041#15/48.5754/7.8041
New for this tour: I’ve found a new way of linking to active map layers. So maps for the day should be easier to read.
Here’s today’s intro video: https://peertube.netzbegruenung.de/w/mYHgR9gdBBcdpPaVHrqpJi
#CrossBorderRail Conclusions Tour Train 1 of 74
TER 91371
06:39 Nuits-sous-Ravières - Montbard 06:48
SNCF for TER Mobigo
Train type: Bombardier AGC bi-mode MU, 2x 4 short carriages
⚡️ (1.5kV dc)
🚲: ✅
🦽: ✅ (step free if station allows, Nuits doesn’t, Montbard does)
🛜: ⛔️
🍽️: ⛔️
🧳: 🙂
🧽: 😐 (grimy roof inside, loo makes whole carriage stink. But it’s orderly)
🎫 Interrail: 🙂 (accepted)
TER 91371
06:39 Nuits-sous-Ravières - Montbard 06:48
Distance: 18.2km
Average speed: 121km/h
1 stops:
Montbard
This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-conclusions-tour_1266988#13/47.6738/4.2743
The #CrossBorderRail 2025 conclusions tour - mainly to go to events, but adding a few new borders too. Each day of the project is a Layer in the map - these should be displayed by default, or if not click the three layered diamonds icon "Open browser" to the left side of the map. The icons are all for borders, roughly coloured to differentiate the borders. A cross through a track means NO TRAINS CAN RUN. A cross through trains but not track means TRAINS CAN RUN BUT NO PASSENGER TRAINS. And TRAIN AND TRACK (no crosses) means there is a passenger service. All lines on the map are TRAINS, unless otherwise shown with icons along the lines - 🚲 for bike, 🚌 for bus, 🚗 for car, ⛴️ for ferry. Click each line to get basic information what it is.
App tip this morning
SNCF‘s main app - SNCF Connect - is generally terrible. Use @12train to book instead
And when travelling use Ma Gare SNCF - it gives useful information like where your carriage will stop before screens in French stations do
#CrossBorderRail Conclusions Tour Train 2 of 74
TGV 6760
07:05 Montbard - Paris Gare de Lyon 08:09
SNCF Voyageurs
Train type: Alstom TGV Duplex, 8 short double deck carriages
⚡️ (1.5kV dc, 25kV ac, 1.5kV dc)
🚲: ⛔️
🦽: ✅ (step free into lower level, lift down inside)
🛜: ✅ (and it's just about working)
🍽️: ✅
🧳: ☹️ (Duplex, so terrible. Thankfully it's mostly business travellers today)
🧽: 😐 (Rare for a TGV not cleaned properly inside)
🎫 Interrail: 😐 (needs compulsory reservation, costs €10 or €20)
TGV 6760
07:05 Montbard - Paris Gare de Lyon 08:09
Distance: 215.5km
Average speed: 202km/h
1 stops:
Paris Gare de Lyon
This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-conclusions-tour_1266988#9/48.2351/3.3555
The #CrossBorderRail 2025 conclusions tour - mainly to go to events, but adding a few new borders too. Each day of the project is a Layer in the map - these should be displayed by default, or if not click the three layered diamonds icon "Open browser" to the left side of the map. The icons are all for borders, roughly coloured to differentiate the borders. A cross through a track means NO TRAINS CAN RUN. A cross through trains but not track means TRAINS CAN RUN BUT NO PASSENGER TRAINS. And TRAIN AND TRACK (no crosses) means there is a passenger service. All lines on the map are TRAINS, unless otherwise shown with icons along the lines - 🚲 for bike, 🚌 for bus, 🚗 for car, ⛴️ for ferry. Click each line to get basic information what it is.
#CrossBorderRail Conclusions Tour 1 of 17
Paris Gare de Lyon - Brasserie à la place Saint-Georges
Distance: 6km
Est. duration: 0:30
This bike route, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-conclusions-tour_1266988#14/48.8614/2.3562
Fixing the Birdy is never done 😀
Hit a bump crossing Paris and the front reflector breaks off
(There are other reflectors on the bike so I’m still road safe)
Back in the city. And it’s a breezy autumn day. Perfect light.
#CrossBorderRail Conclusions Tour 2 of 17
Brasserie à la place Saint-Georges - 23 Bvld Madeleine - Café les Deux Gares (Gare de l’est)
Distance: 2km
Est. duration: 0:45
This bike route, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-conclusions-tour_1266988#16/48.8738/2.3417
SNCF: let’s speed you to Strasbourg in less than 2 hours
Also SNCF: let’s design platform barriers so badly it takes everyone ages to get onto the platform 👏
Oh and send a rubbish truck through!
#CrossBorderRail Conclusions Tour Train 3 of 74
TGV 9575
13:54 Paris Est - Stuttgart Hbf 17:04
SNCF Voyageurs, DB Fernverkehr
Train type: Alstom TGV Euroduplex, 8 short double deck carriages (8 more to Colmar)
⚡️ (25kV ac, 15kV ac)
🚲: ⛔️
🦽: ✅ (but platform 27 isn’t step free - I assume there’s a lift)
🛜: ⛔️ (doesn’t work)
🍽️: ⛔️ (bistro closed today)
🧳: ☹️ (Duplex. Awful. Thankfully it’s empty)
🧽: 🙂
🎫 Interrail: 😐 (needs compulsory reservation, costs €19)
TGV 9575
13:54 Paris Est - Stuttgart Hbf 17:04
Distance: 607.9km
Average speed: 192km/h
3 stops:
Strasbourg
Karlsruhe Hbf
Stuttgart Hbf
This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-conclusions-tour_1266988#8/48.894/5.778
The #CrossBorderRail 2025 conclusions tour - mainly to go to events, but adding a few new borders too. Each day of the project is a Layer in the map - these should be displayed by default, or if not click the three layered diamonds icon "Open browser" to the left side of the map. The icons are all for borders, roughly coloured to differentiate the borders. A cross through a track means NO TRAINS CAN RUN. A cross through trains but not track means TRAINS CAN RUN BUT NO PASSENGER TRAINS. And TRAIN AND TRACK (no crosses) means there is a passenger service. All lines on the map are TRAINS, unless otherwise shown with icons along the lines - 🚲 for bike, 🚌 for bus, 🚗 for car, ⛴️ for ferry. Click each line to get basic information what it is.
The passenger across the aisle from me here:
- travelling on Interrail (as per questions from the train manager)
- is charging their phone with a UK-EU plug adapter
- has a bottle of wine, a can of beer, and an electric toothbrush poking out of an opulent leather handbag
- has red nails so long typing is hard
- is at least 70 years old
Departing Strasbourg
I know a stop for illegal passport controls at Kehl is ahead
There's one obvious ethnic minority passenger in my carriage. The train is about 1/3 full. Let's see what happens...
Yeah. Who did they control?
The ethnic minority person.
Fuckers, really.
I approached the police and asked why they only control ethnic minorities.
“She was the only one not to show her passport without asking” he said.
It makes me so effing totally fucking furious.
Every single time.
Racism pure and simple.
And they hauled a black guy off and were going through his papers on the platform.
I could have been transporting *anything* and got through no problem.
These checks are
- racist
- arbitrary (as they check trains more than other modes at Kehl)
- costly (labour intensive)
- inefficient (why not check while a train is moving?)
- ineffective (the pedestrian bridge at Kehl isn’t checked)
- annoying (they delay everyone)
Could you imagine anything more abjectly shit?
@jon Today seems to be a bad day for DB. Our first train got cancelled after 15m in Basel SBB because SBB is really sick of DBs shenanigans. Then an hour later it also got cancelled at Basel Bad. One of us took a connection via Hannover but that train stranded in Fulda 🙃. Because the rest of us were with bicycles we went to the Reisezentrum and they gave us a connection where we'd arrive at 0600 in Berlin, lol. Luckily we found another one where we would arrive 2230. Right now the train is only half an hour late but should arrive, hopefully. Fingers crossed that there are no further news on this front today. 😅
(I'd still take the train every time. Fuck flying and fucking tax that shit.)
@jon
"Could you imagine anything more abjectly shit?"
Yes - left SNCF run it 😂
@jon I don't show my passport without asking, other than when I'm queuing at a passport booth in a port (the clue's in the name, eh? "pass" "port").[#]
Otherwise you're just acquiescing in advance to a police state.
[#] I have occasionally had to show my passport for domestic travel. Within Burma that was sort of expected ... but having to do so within ***FRANCE*** wasn't.
@jon Maybe it's time for a little practical joke? Talk to that person, and a few other fellow passengers. Gather around him/her, and when the Bundespolizei approaches, you all offer your documents, without asking. See if the police ignores you others and just checks the "obvious" one.
(Assuming you can find enough like-minded co-passengers.)
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