kintherMAGA's plan for a white Christian America is unfolding before our eyes
someguy3This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
But don’t you see how great things are in Gaza now? Surely the downfall of democracy was worth it.
AllNewTypeFaceAt least we won’t have survivor’s guilt
catsarebadpeopleThings in Gaza will be totally worth it when it is razed to the ground and a huge Trump resort is built on top of it. Gazans can work as waiters and masseuses where their houses used to be!
At least we stuck it to GeNoCiDe JoE, though
The Democrats went out of their way to spite to the left at every chance and played to the mythical swing voter. A strategy that has never worked more than a one-off. What do you call somebody that keeps doing the same thing expecting different results? Stupid.
Yes, and none of this shit would be happening right now if anyone but trump would have won.
Biden did not change anything. And the point here is that by not changing anything chill out the Republicans to promise to change things and get them elected. How do you not get this?
You’re right about all that. I just get tired of hearing people justify why they stood by and let the orange turd take power again whenever I see news stories like this.
I am not trying to be a dick either, but the same people are still in control of the opposition and fighting under them is doomed to fail. There might be a finality to elections now, we are now facing a pretty aggressive rigging. But since there is a succession battle we could still take it back with a muscular popular reform Party. I just do not want to see America get settled with a kakistocracy, rule of the worst, fixing elections.
Plus bringing the military into domestic affairs, which always ends the same way, the military sees the weakness of the political leaders and the levers of power and they subordinate the politicians and become the true rulers. Honestly the military would be an improvement over these malicious fucking clowns in politics, It could last decades.
When all we need is a new deal to usher in more prosperity for everybody, the grasping Rich included. They have no idea what they are supporting, the monster they’re supporting will destroy them which is the only silver lining here.
I agree with almost everything you said except sharing your optimism that your/our preferred ideology would necessarily win out in the aftermath of accelerating the entire country into flaming ruin.
A slate of true populists, a charismatic leader, and populists that fit their districts cooperating and what they agree on like the rich not fucking working people without their consent, would be wildly successful. It would rule for four to six presidential terms.
Obviously we are not going to get that but I feel like I have to try. Apparently we have to let this dumpster fire burn out, and take the Democratic establishment with it, before we can change anything because people still Trust them to run the opposition.
The president is popular because he looks like he is fighting. He is the only one that looks like he is fighting. Directing the justifiable anger of the voters albeit to the wrong sources. Which is why the rest of us hate him. Directing that anger to the right sources would be massively popular as FDR was.
I love how y’all love to blame Gaza as if the lack of voters was only to do with that. I mean there were voters who were pro Gaza and voted for fuckin Trump, so I think the Dems “give you nothing” platform was actually an issue.
Exactly. These people are exhausting. Like, have they not seen the current popularity figures of the Democrats? Their popularity is in the shitter because they STILL have no platform beyond “we’re not Trump.” And yet, this thread is still full of centrist muppets blindly parroting, “well, at least they’re better than Trump.” No shit. And that’s why leftists almost universally did vote for Kamala. But then these smug assholes, equipped with a hose running directly from their anus to their nostrils, have the gall to come in here and parrot the same tired rhetoric that caused Kamala to lose in 2024, Hillary to lose in 2016, and would have caused Biden to lose in 2020 if not for Covid.
Just seriously. These dense motherfuckers. When will they realize that being simply better than the Republican isn’t enough to actually win elections. It’s enough to get the left to reluctantly vote for the candidate, but it won’t actually drive out enough ordinary non-politically obsessed people to win an election. People need something to vote FOR. Not something merely to vote AGAINST.
Frankly, at this point, I assume anyone still bitching about leftists not voting for Harris is just a Republican. Non-affiliated and casual voters cost Kamala the election. The leftists almost universally held their nose and voted for Harris. But these Republicans like to foment division on the left, so they try to continually keep the narrative alive that Democrats just need to be a tiny iota better than Republicans, even though that strategy results in a Republican being elected again and again.
Look to the outcomes to understand motives. If following someone’s message results in Republicans winning again and again, odds are good that they’re simply a Republican.
it’s a big club and we’re not in it…the establishment DNC will refuse reality as long as Trump is alive. they still believe, they have to believe, that the political landscape of america “returns to normal” (code for…can go back to peacefully ratfucking government funds, with their good ol’ boys in the GOP)…when that doesn’t happen is when shit gets real.
this combination if WallStreet liquidity-parasites, MIC, and AIPAC has ran the USA as a puppet state atleast since the end of WW2, arguably reaches much further back but only after did they start coordinating…they are exceedingly entrenched and have spent the last 70 years building moat after moat built towards the singular purpose of keeping thems in power.
things are going to get even worse… then either much much worse, or alot better, depending on if all these greedy AIPAC motherfuckers see what the NATC party has in store for them vs. what progs have in mind (firing squad or slightly higher taxes…such a hard choice).
Trump really was the perfect spoiler candidate looking back…extensive ties to Epstein (and by extension, all rotten establishment US politicians), dumb as shit with an ego to match…absolutely perfect combination to shine a light on this disfunction we call our government (not to mention making it more clear than ever, how compromised our media-landscape is), on the optimistic outlook that we continue to have elections…trump has single-handedly done more to galvinize the US Left-proper than any other president in living memory
Wanna know something crazy? You can not like the DNC, but still understand that it was fucking stupid to not vote for Harris (as we have all now seen).
I’m so sick of people equating any kind of push back against this bs as making you a shill for the Democratic party. There’s just no room whatsoever for nuance. I’m a bootlicker because I didn’t throw my vote away against literal fascism. Ok.
Most of us here that voted for Harris, did it while holding our noses. WE ARE NOT DNC SHILLS, WE’RE SIMPLY NOT IDIOTS.
InternetCitizen2You can not like the DNC, but still understand that it was fucking stupid to not vote for Harris (as we have all now seen).
Many of our fellow lefties here have privilege they don’t recognize as having. They have no need for harm minimization because they won’t be targeted first. Its a rather first world problem to keep your self perceived purity clean when your not under seige and can just wait for the perfect candidate. Not everyone has a Mamdani on their ballot.
All war is class war. All war is messy. From my interaction with tankies, anarchist, and otherlefty types and flavors; we don’t have a real movement or willingness to fight.
The Dem’s strategy doesn’t work. It might have worked in 1984 but not now. It’s their fault they keep losing. They can’t act like leftist’s concerns don’t matter yet blame them for their own loss
It’s on you… The tide is turning, and Israel is done, it’s officially a pariah state and while the price we Palestinians paid is way too high, at least most of the world is awake now. You’re still sleeping.
Democrats did nothing to stop Trump for four years when the fascist plan was in the open and he already attempted to overthrow democracy, they weren’t gonna save this empire. Had they won, the genocide in Gaza would have continued just the same, but you’d be patting yourself on the back having voted for the “lesser evil.”
Decent people rejected your nonviable genocidal candidate, and instead of admitting you were wrong, you’re blaming people who opposed genocide on your dime. You deserve Trump, and you’ll deserve him more when you campaign for Newsom in the future rigged election instead of revolting.
DevolutionTl;Dr. Palestine won’t exist in 26’ because of protest voters. Just take accountability for your fuck up and b done with it.
They can’t. It does not compute. Refusing to defeat trump was the only logical, well, moral choice you see.
I’m sorry, I seem to remember Biden endorsing blood libel against the Palestinians and obviously provable false allegations and never correcting himself. I seem to recall him doing absolutely fucking nothing to slow down the palestinians. Also nothing in response to the Republicans trying to end the Republic in all but name, his reason for fucking being as president. With your dog shit Democrats we were never going to keep the fascists out of power, this is your fault for parenting The Establishment Democrats’ bullshit. Even now you won’t admit a mistake.
OK tankie.
Username checks out.
Take some responsibility. The “we’re an iota better than Trump” strategy lost miserably in 2016, 2024, and would have lost in 2020 if not for covid. And here you are, still spreading blood libel about leftists. Leftists almost universally held their nose and voted for the shitty lesser evil candidate, just like they do every fucking time. But it didn’t matter at all, because nonaffiliated and more casual voters don’t show up unless they have someone to vote FOR not someone to vote AGAINST. Not enough ordinary people, not the people hanging out on lemmy politics subs, but just normal working people, were convinced that Kamala would make any meaningful improvement in their lives. Meanwhile, Trump was making an immoral, but very clear and direct case of “I will raise your wages and lower housing costs by deporting millions of immigrants.” Trump made a direct case for how he was going to improve the lives of some portion of the population. Kamala didn’t. And that’s why she lost.
And no, screaming about democracy doesn’t work. It’s a piss poor election strategy. The vast majority of the population doesn’t feel that we actually live in an effective democracy anyway. People don’t feel the need to protect a system that isn’t serving their interests.
OK tankie.
Yeah, go ahead and name call. That really helped you win last time.
If I’m a tankie, you’re a quisling.
That’s not true. Biden would have done the same thing. He drove voters away, not us
Biggest sponsor of Israel is US. No more US, no Israeli holocaust.
Do you have any evidence that things would be better in Gaza with Harris? Neither Biden or Harris gave any indication they’d be prepared to withhold aid for the genocide.
You’re holding up a giant sign that says,
“Surely those people willing to sacrifice another group’s very existence will fight to stand up for MY civil rights!”
This is just the left version of Leopards Eating Faces. No one who supports a genocide will lift a finger to protect your civil rights when they are threatened. The only people they care about are themselves. You are not one of the people that someone like Kamala or Biden consider worthy of respect or even consideration. You are beneath them just like the Gazans. If you support a genocide, you clearly view people as expendable and worthy of giving away at the political bargaining table.
You learned nothing from the “first they came for…” poem.
Seems like a lot of copium to ignore the fact y’all bent over and gaped to let fascism ass fuck all of us and actually make things significantly worse in Palestine and the Middle-East as a whole.
This dipshitery of 'Kamala and Joe wouldn’t have protected your rights either" is a pathetic cope. They had 4 years to spearhead their own fascist takeover. They didn’t. Trump and his party of cronies are speed running it.
All the extra blood in Palestine, here in the US and from all other people MAGA is killing is partially on y’alls hands too. And all for a stupid fucking virtue signal. Pathetic.
And all for a stupid fucking virtue signal.
That should be the chapter title in the history books a century from now. If we still have books.
If these people actually gave a shit about Palestine or minorities and women over here, they’d have voted for Kamala.
Instead their support is entirely hollow theatrics, so they let Trump win and now the Palestinian genocide has been exacerbated beyond comprehension.
Nobody ever said Gaza would be better. We said that Democrats didn’t deserve our vote because they offered no meaningful alternative
But Harris had a shrill laugh.
… Psst…
The real reason she lost was that she had a vagina. But they know they can’t say that out loud. So, “shrill laugh” it is
what?
you’re totally ignoring that she’s….
‘checks notes’
black
As Josh Johnson said on the daily show: “she’s too young to be president and too old to be a lady.”
Harris was an unpopular sold out corporatist that ran as the status quo and offered zero reform and zero fight against anyone increasingly screwing us, what the fuck did you expect to happen?
People not to vote in Trump.
This pie fed instance will not show me context here. But I presume you are replying to my disparaging the Democrats and blaming them for losing.
The last reform we were offered was in 2008 with healthcare, and that was mostly a failure and the last time they actually fought hard for any sort of Reform that is worth anything. Even then the effort was lacking.
Across the West the left versions of parties have all been seized by conservatives running is the status quo and it is leading to the new right season control and fixing elections.
It would have been easy to stop them, with a real campaign, but not now. I do not see what is so hard to understand, they put some ivy league suits on TV to pass the buck and you guys just buy it don’t you?
I find Lemmy.today is full of trolls for some reason.
Do you notice that?
I just started here so I do not have a baseline, but I do aggressively pick fights on this issue because I want to see us field a slate of candidates that can take the country back before a permanent fix is into tight. An exercise in futility apparently as influence agents and the dupes of the establishment apparently have convinced people to leave the same Aristocrats in charge of the opposition.
It defies reason, we need a new deal and reform not plutocratic rot led by unpopular sold out candidates hand-picked by donors. The candidates still thinking they are playing good cop to Republican bad cop in 1990 even while the Republicans have openly been playing Hitler.
2020 was a gift, even with Biden being unpopular we could have dismantled the part of the party that tried to overthrow democracy and install an autocracy.
Yet we allowed the president to do nothing, to say nothing, to allow our captured federal agencies to fail in their statutory duties without challenge, including the justice department. To let the courts let it happen without rallying the population to pressure them.
To be at 40% popularity for 3 years and not change anything. Then annoint someone at 30% approval the entire term without challeng. Not a single Challenger for leader, or for house or Senate leadership. The party is broken.
I still think not voting Trump in would have been effective.
Then running a campaign that could beat him would have been the smart thing to do wouldn’t it? Address the fucking point.
I am you just don’t want to read it.
Boomer Humor DoomergodYou have far to high an opinion of humanity.
You’re right. What is happening now is much better /s
You are trying not to address the point. That with the opposition we have what we have now was inevitable. It makes you made a mistake and help get new leadership or enjoy what we have now, and know it is your fault
Obviously not. It’s the fault of Trump voters and those who failed to vote for Harris. Thats it. It was pretty clear how bad Trump would be. So there’s no excuses. If you didn’t vote to stop Trump, you own Trump.
Voters wanted change and the Democrats ran as the status quo for the third presidential election in a row. Each time picking the most unpopular person they possibly could and then blaming voters when they failed. Those voters did support the Democratic nominee in Biden despite further degeneracy and they did nothing with it. There is not a single chance that the Republicans were not going to get in there and try to put the fix in on elections with these people in charge.
We needed a new deal and we got plutocratic right and a Democratic president further right than George HW Bush.
If voters (or those who didn’t bother) couldn’t see that the status quo was much better than Trump, then they chose stupidly and it’s their fault. The democrats put out a candidate that was better than Trump, that’s all that should matter.
The reason democrats didn’t win was because of the vast right wing media system that biases and spins everything and too many idiotic voters who fall for it. If the democrats went more radical left, that same right wing media system would still do its thing to manipulate the stupid voters, but it would also turn off some intelligent centrists from supporting the democrats. Any non idiotic left wing people would already be voting democrat over Trump. But, alas there are too many idiots in the U.S. and that is why we now have trump and his handlers destroying the country.
The reason democrats didn’t win was because of the vast right wing media system that biases and spins everything and too many idiotic voters who fall for it. If the democrats went more radical left, that same right wing media system would still do its thing to manipulate the stupid voters, but it would also turn off some intelligent centrists from supporting the democrats. Any non idiotic left wing people would already be voting democrat over Trump. But, alas there are too many idiots in the U.S. and that is why we now have trump and his handlers destroying the country.
We knew the Electoral situation going in. And your argument that Americans would be turned off by reform and would be attracted to the status quo is just laughably wrong, straight from the donkey’s ass.
Establishment arguments to shift the blame so they can stay in control of the party. Even though it would not justify letting them stay in control if it was even true. They insist on electing candidates that can’t win and running on a strategy that cannot reliably win even against one of the most unpopular politicians to ever run. Right ahead of whoever the Democrats nominate
it would also turn off some intelligent centrists from supporting the democrats.
They sound pretty unintelligent then.
Guess it was more important to make sure children kept getting massacred than winning the Muslim vote in Michigan.
You did it jonne, we have peace in Gaza!
I’m just saying, Democrats didn’t seem to want to do anything to win. They wouldn’t commit to reappointing Lina Khan, for whatever reason decided that running around with a Cheney would be a good idea, and messed up a million other things. It wasn’t just Gaza, they did everything they could to make sure they wouldn’t win, seemingly, in service of the donors.
The donors were happy, gave her more money than Trump got, and they still lost because you need to give the voters something beyond ‘Trump will be worse’.
And that’s after years of gaslighting about how the economy was doing great under Biden while ignoring how much real wages got inflated away from the pandemic until now (and I’m not saying Trump is better on any of those issues, mind you, his voters just tend to not notice when they’re being lied to because the right built an information bubble that’s impervious to the truth).
Well then the best response is the one I already gave: you did it jonne! We now have peace in the middle east! Hurray!
What was Kamala’s plan for achieving peace in the middle east exactly? If you think things would’ve been different with her, she definitely didn’t tell the voters how she’d do that. It was Biden that defunded UNRWA based on fake stories and kicked off this famine.
Dude you SOOO! RIGHT, now we can put the damned muzzis into AMERICAN CAMPS. I mean we sure showed those DemoRATS with GEnoCiDE JOE! Now American Muslims can experience genocide as well!