RandAlThorBernie Sanders Receives Praise From Left And Right For Charlie Kirk Message: ‘Best Take I’ve Seen’
SanctusWhy is everyone pretending this dude’s entire platform wasn’t just vitriolic hate.
Because they’re in on it.
Because the moment they say that, the other side stops listening and dismisses them or worse, decide to target them.
Remember, politicians are people that go out in public spaces and speak to people and they themselves are terrified of the same event happening to them.
It doesnt help though. All it does is justify Charlie’s actions during his life and serves to sanewash him. The move would have been to not defund public education all those decades ago. Doing this now just legitimizes hate speech
That’s the problem with assassinating people. It makes the dead a martyr and helps legitimize their message because supporters get to memorialize the dead, but for opponents it becomes politically difficult and socially inappropriate to criticize. It’s why I always think assassination largely backfires and is not a smart political move. To start a political movement in a democracy, you want to accumulate grievances you can use against the other side, not inflict them so the other side can use them against you.
You have a downvote but you aren’t wrong. Though I do have to say it seems to be largely ineffective using grievances against the current Republican diaspora.
I think that is largely because the democrats are weak and terrible messengers.
Yeah like when Rittenhouse murdered two people, am I right?
Rittenhouse is an idiot, but that wasn’t an assassination. His victims weren’t well known political voices.
It’s so fucking clear he went there when the intent to murder someone.
They canonized him, gave him a speaking tour, turned him into a folk hero.
Did the two Minnesota legislator get turned into heros? Yeah I don’t think so either.
I guarantee you everyone will forget about Kirk dying a couple weeks from now, far from martyrdom. Facts don’t mean anything to these brainwashed morons, one of their “grievances” is the “stolen election” for Christ’s sake. Personally I’ll endure a couple weeks of hypocritical crocodile tears from the right to never hear another racist/transphobic/moronic utterance from that puckered asshole he called a mouth for the rest of my natural life.
shani66Yep. This won’t meaningfully raise the temperature, they will keep doing what they always do. However, this might actually improve things in the long run. He routinely targeted kids for indoctrination, without his influence things will improve.
If he wants to engage the right in any meaningful way, he has little choice because Charlie was made into a martyr.
The best practical outcome may be messages like this and recognition the killing was infighting, not a leftist move. Maybe the broader conservative movement figures out you can’t stir up violent extremism and expect it to consistently point in the direction you would want.
You can both hate Charlie Kirk and everything he stood for and also hate political violence.
Both can be valid stances.
“A free and democratic society, which is what America is supposed to be about, depends upon the basic premise that people can speak out, organize, and take part in public life without fear, without worrying that they might be killed, injured, or humiliated for expressing their political views,”
You can’t debate with “Black people are inferior genetically”. Thats not a good faith argument. It drags the entire country down. Charlie Kirk was not debating or sharing valid views. Democracies do not survive with the populace is uneducated and fed hateful viewpoints. So, no, I cannot denounce his killing. No more than I can denounce the killing of Mussolini or the suicide of Hitler. He caused death and havoc in the exact same way.
You can both denounce Charlie Kirk and everything he stood for and also denounce political violence.
Both can be valid stances.
lennybirdI’m just frustrated that very very few people including Sanders are remarking on that first part. He spread hate speech and misinformation. He and Trump’s rhetoric and actions are what led to this point.
Was so pissed off at Daily Show’s coverage last night when Kosta attacked Warren and the guy from msnbc calling a spade a spade.
The thing is everyone that would ever be inclined to believe that of Charlie Kirk already knows. To call him out posthumously doesn’t tend to away people that listened to him, it makes those people double down.
Ironically, this strategy probably makes the most of his death. People get to see the risks his behavior incurred while also seeing a peaceable path to de-escalation.
Controlled opposition.