There was way more nuance to the situation. The moderator linked a good summary of the false equivalence, as well as the extra context.

you showed up to be like: “fucked up, tankie defending Nazi alliance” as if history began and ended in 1939.

YDI, I can see how you ended up a ‘world news’ moderator though

tankie punks fuck off

I’m actually an anarchist, but you’re gonna use whatever pejorative makes you comfortable

You just like to say you are. You’re anti-ukraine and from russia. You put up more tankie posts and anti-dem posts than anything critical of the repubs.

You’re a tankie.

The reason I am often pissed at the democrats is due to how bad they are at actually opposing the republicans.

You’re just a ‘team blue’ maga type

Lol you clearly don’t know me, scan through my posts and see if you think I’m blue maga or whatever the fuck. I fall more on the social libertarian side than anything else. I’m very critical of the dems, but I’m not also a fucking idiot who thinks that the fascist shit pile we currently have is somehow the same as the dems by any means. The dems haven’t gone full fascist… it’s pretty clear they’d also not be destroying the US or harming it’s allies…and would be supporting Ukraine. Something you clearly are against…so to me you’re a tankie who sides with maga and fascist.

Palestine is not a race, and Islam is %100 transphobic and the main religion practiced there (98% of the population).

“I’m not racist because Islam isn’t a race”

Palestine would wipe Israel and every jew off the planet if they had the ability to. Not saying what Israel is doing is right, but acting like the other side is without fault is disingenuous.

Yeah you’re pretty much what I would categorize as blue maga, chauvinist, racist, but team red ‘disgusts’ you. Clearly team blue would be managing the empire better so that it could stay ‘great’

“I’m not racist because Islam isn’t a race”

Not to shine too bright a light on this, but you kinda have a habit of finding a single sentence that out-of-context supports your position and then jumping the gun by citing it. Did you read the immediately previous sentence, where they provide that quote as a clarification of their pro-palestine position and then go on to repeatedly defend Palestinian lives and decry the actions of Israel despite their (Palestinian) religion’s general stance on the LGBTQ+ or other political and social issues?

You don’t label a civilian death as a hate crime just because they’re a certain race or gender. So no you’re statement is blatantly false.

Honestly I don’t know how well I’d get along with SupraMario - But this is beside that issue: it’s aggravating as heck to see these comments. You’re clearly intelligent, but you’re just too eager to respond and it keeps making you look foolish. If you’d just slow down a little and get the context in which things are said, you’d be a much more persuasive advocate for your beliefs.

the original comment they responded to in that thread was this:

Israel is probably the nr. 1 murderer of trans people in the world right now. Get your priorities straight.

moving the goal posts to ‘hate crime’ doesn’t change that point.

‘Israel’ and its US accomplices are the #1 murderer of trans people in the world right now, statistically speaking.

SupraMario can say that that israel ‘sucks’, but then redirecting to ‘but hamas,’ or ‘Islam in general bad’ doesn’t bolster that position. Maybe they actually don’t like seeing US taxes get turned into dead children, but considering how strongly they feel that the west is best I’m not holding out hope.

moving the goal posts to ‘hate crime’ doesn’t change that point.

This is like saying that Ukraine is slaughtering LGBTQ+ people because they’ve killed nearly 1/2 a million russian soldiers. You don’t label a civilian death as a hate crime just because they’re a certain race or gender.

They are not claiming that there must be a hate crime for something to be valid, just that the initial comparison is inherently foolish, and they are elaborating their position by using hate crimes as an example. It’s a passable application of reductio ad absurdum.

SupraMario can say that that israel ‘sucks’, but then redirecting to ‘but hamas,’ or ‘Islam in general bad’ doesn’t bolster that position.

What Israel is doing is fucked, we should have stopped funding their damn military decades ago. What hamas and other jihadist are doing to people (women and LGBT persons mainly) in the middle east is also fucked. Both things can be true.

They explicitly clarify that their position is the direct opposite of what you’re presenting it as being.

You’re doing it again, Diva.

You’re doing it again, Diva.

doing what? they do the same to me every time they roll up to call me a tankie.

the point was that the US and its Israeli proxy have the most dead trans people on their hands right now due to killing civilians indescriminately.

I don’t see what the comparison to Russian soldiers gets you in that quote, you realize that a war is different from a genocide of a captive population, right?

I’m sorry I don’t… really know what to do with this one.

The initial premise is that there’s been many trans deaths in Gaza. This is undeniable - that’s just statistics. According to Hamas, there’s been about 65,000 deaths in the genocide thus far. So it holds that there have been a horrifyingly large number of trans Palestinians killed.

The new premise as presented by SupraMario is that this is not the most deaths of trans people due to a conflict in the world right now, due to the war in Ukraine. The best count of confirmed deaths for Russian soldiers in Ukraine is around 80,000 (it is likely much higher, as their casualties are about 10x that number - but this is a very conservative measurement using only russian figures). By the same assumption as above, many of those 80,000 dead were trans. That’s just statistics.

80,000 is larger that 65,000

I’m not sure how the political situation leading to someone’s death changes their gender orientation.

there’s been about 65,000 deaths in the genocide thus far

That’s the amount they’ve been able to confirm and count, not including all the indirect deaths caused by the enforced famine and widespread destruction of all civil infrastructure, it’s in the hundreds of thousands.

it also feels like whataboutism, especially to have been bringing up military casualties in a peer conflict rather than a genocide of a captive population. Reducing them both ‘conflicts’ also kind of minimizes whats happening in Gaza.

It reflects badly on your commitment to a good faith discussion,

What good faith discussion? the one that started with people calling me a tankie?

So Hamas, the government managing this, can’t be trusted to report on it’s own citizen’s deaths - but a 40 year retired diplomat to japan is a credible source? (Btw no, that figure explicitly includes deaths by famine and related wartime deprivations. One second on google and you’d know that. Hamas are actually capable of counting the piles of their own dead children - they’ve have more than enough practice by now.)

And, pointing out that a claim is, by their own logic, mathematically incorrect is not a whattaboutism. Come on.

Namecalling isn’t the discussion I was referring to, though I’ll grant that there’s many conversational threads in this post so keeping them straight is a royal pain…