Watchful CitizenSep 7, 2025

Time is running out.

On Sept 12, EU countries vote on chat control - a law that would make every messaging app scan your private chats before you even hit send.

Only six countries openly oppose it right now. Germany and several others are still undecided. MEPs from different parties are warning this is mass surveillance on everyone.

I'm terrified my kids will grow up in a world where every private thought gets scanned before they can share it. You can't have democracy without free speech, and you can't have free speech under surveillance.

https://fightchatcontrol.eu

#privacy #e2ee #chatcontrol #HumanRights #security

Fight Chat Control - Protect Digital Privacy in the EU

Learn about the EU Chat Control proposal and contact your representatives to protect digital privacy and encryption.

Show threadDelegateVoidSep 7, 2025
@watchfulcitizen meanwhile get as many people as possible on @delta
Show threadWatchful Citizen
@delegatevoid @delta what makes it different / better from signal?
Sep 7, 2025 at 10:58amWeb
Show threadDelegateVoidSep 7, 2025
@watchfulcitizen
Signal is very easily blocked using DPI (as is the case for me and a few billion other people). DeltaChat on the other hand relies on existing e-mail infrastructure (IMAP/SMTP) and thus completely federated. Blocking IMAP and SMTP isn't economically feasible, so many things rely on e-mail. It's basically piggy-backing on the largest federated infrastructure in the world. (Signal on the other hand is completely centralized)
Show thread[email protected] :verified-skull: Sep 11, 2025
@watchfulcitizen

Just a comment from the sideline:
Unlike Signal, which is very good but centralised to one single point in the US, DeltaChat is decentralised and can be self-hosted. There are other benefits in favour of DeltaChat too, but I see that is the biggest difference from Signal.


@delegatevoid @delta
Show threadWatchful CitizenSep 11, 2025
@m @delta @delegatevoid to me it seems to solve different issues. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't deltachat focusing on avoiding detection? Signal seems to be safer
Show thread[email protected] :verified-skull: Sep 11, 2025

@watchfulcitizen

I compare them as “private end-to-end encrypted messaging apps”. I’d say DeltaChat is the winner in the category, with Signal coming in as second (and then the rest).

Just to clarify I agree with all your posts in this thread, I merely replied with regards on how DeltaChat differs from Signal (as I don’t think enough people know about DeltaChat and what it is).

I should also clarify I am a daily user of both. If I had to delete all but one though, DeltaChat would be the one that stays on my devices, as I find that the most private, secure and also the most difficult to shut down or prevent me from using.

@delta @delegatevoid

Show threadDelegateVoidSep 11, 2025
@watchfulcitizen @m @delta Both are cryptographic secure, but yes the Signal protocol does currently have some advantages over Delta, but that's being worked on. For me the issue isn't so much about avoiding detection, but simply the fact that it works (mainly because it's federated) whereas Signal is centralized and simply doesn't work here.