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Amin, minor deity of the legume realm25 days until I've been on Debian for two years.
I have no clue, my previous record was one year. Anyone have any ideas?
@rl_dane maybe?
R.L. Dane 
🍵 
Well, it's something like:
- you install Debian when it's had a recent release (like now)
- you install all the packages you need
- for packages you need to have more-up-to-date, you install flatpaks
- you gather the few packages that you need to compile, and compile them,
and then, you just... enjoy the stability. XD
mirabilos@mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt @amin
Personal preference, of course.
Would I prefer native .debs for everything under the sun? Yes, if Debian went to a yearly release. 😁
@jlw_the_jobber @wyatt @amin @rl_dane eh just become a Debian packager and roll your own, or know someone who does, and/or still your thirst for too-new things
@mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt @amin
and/or still your thirst for too-new things
I honestly don't like the constant software treadmill.
Unfortunately, things like KDE Plasma are currently improving and evolving at a fairly rapid pace, and a semi-annual release cycle is kind of long in the tooth to enjoy the improvements.
But yeah, good point, still. ;)
@rl_dane @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt @amin eh, use IceWM, which evolves slower, or evilwm, which is already almost perfect.
@mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt @amin
I vacillate between KDE and sway. The good thing about KDE is that as a "desktop," desktop-oriented applications just work, and don't require digging into what in the flaming death gnome service needs to be started and properly initialized in order for the program to just run.
*sigh*
@rl_dane @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
SwayWM seems stable enough at this point that I rarely actually notice changes in its updates anymore. So Debian works fine.
@rl_dane @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
I really do want to give another shot at getting X-based WMs working with my display; if for no other reason, my lock screen setup was the most awesome thing I've ever done on Linux and it's just completely impossible to recreate with swaylock.
@amin @rl_dane @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt we can do that if you want, perhaps in a separate thread without @-ing anyone else though? (Can still be unlisted so they can get the fruits of our labour.)
@mirabilos @rl_dane @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
Haha, not right now. I've got schoolwork. I'm talking more of a nebulous future date trying it.
@amin @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
Man, I get SO MUCH DONE in those nebulous future dates. XD
....................................................................not.
Guy who's trying his best :(@rl_dane @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
Future Amin is my arch nemesis. He hates my guts.
@amin @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
Then start treating him well, now!
@rl_dane @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
I need to get revenge in advance for what Past Amin did to me!
@amin @rl_dane @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
This is a very healthy mindset. I approve
@rl_dane @amin @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
Oh yeah? Try telling that to everyone here!
I, oh, right, that's what you were doing.
Erm, carry on
@rl_dane @OpenComputeDesign @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
It helps my current mental health to stick it to the man. "The man", in this case, being my future self.
That'll teach that jerk to think he knows what's best for me to do now.
@amin @rl_dane @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
Personally, I spend all my time and energy being tired, so I never have anything left for doing anything else with
@amin @OpenComputeDesign @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
That sounds incredibly unhealthy and counter-productive, and I sincerely hope you're kidding.
@rl_dane @OpenComputeDesign @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
My tongue is in my cheek.
@jlw_the_jobber @rl_dane @OpenComputeDesign @mirabilos @wyatt
Excuse me while I go rinse out my eyes.
@jlw_the_jobber @amin @OpenComputeDesign @mirabilos @wyatt
That's... different. ;)
@rl_dane @amin @OpenComputeDesign @mirabilos @wyatt I typed in “cheeky boy” and that is what Giphy gave me 😅
@amin @OpenComputeDesign @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
Ok, just don't bite. XD
@amin @rl_dane @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber
I vote Qtile for your window manager. I just love it.
@wyatt @rl_dane @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber
Mmmm, I'll probably start with i3 since I've used it before and can relatively-easily port over my config. Once I've figured out how to get X to handle my display, I can start branching out.
@wyatt @amin @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber
Python configs?
* runs and hides in the corner, shivering nervously
@amin @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
If you try X11, you have to try #XScreensaver.
The modules are insane, and it seems to have the most secure locking mechanism, or at the very least, it's written by the only person I know of that has ever spent the time to write about the relative (in)security of various linux screen locking mechanisms, #jwz.
@rl_dane @amin @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt jwz is certainly opinionated.
I never figured out how to actually start xscreensaver and stick to xlock, which I know from OpenBSD.
wyatt@mirabilos @rl_dane @amin @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt jwz blocked me for asking why there wasn't alt text on his screenshot of a fedi post that badly used alt text
Before that I respected him more
Before that I respected him more
@wyatt @amin @jlw_the_jobber @rl_dane @wyatt (wait, did you lose your profile picture?)
yeah, he insulted me for asking how to start the screensaver, and if it had been on Fedi he’d have blocked me (alas, Fedi was still a long way to go from back then)
@mirabilos @amin @jlw_the_jobber @rl_dane @wyatt uh i think i still have it? maybe my server's struggling
@wyatt @amin @jlw_the_jobber @rl_dane @wyatt hmm, yes, your server still shows it, but my instance doesn’t…
@mirabilos @amin @jlw_the_jobber @rl_dane @wyatt looks like my SSL cert didn't expire without me realising, so i wonder what happened.
@wyatt @amin @jlw_the_jobber @rl_dane @wyatt huh fun, Semaphore lacks it while FediText still shows it
might be the new GtS update I did, or the umask I did…
@rl_dane @wyatt @amin @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt heh, fixed it (tl;dr: the
umask call also applied to the saved images, not just the temp files, and made it so that httpd ceased having permissions for it)@wyatt @amin @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt @mirabilos
That's hilarious. XD
@rl_dane @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
Okay but there’s no way it’s better than my Calvin and Hobbes lock screen was.
@amin @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
True, the sway version bump between Debian 12 and 13 was barely anything.
@rl_dane @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
It did start giving me some issues with imv, though, which I think is due to sway’s end, not imv itself.
@amin @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
Did you ever get imv worked out?
@rl_dane @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
Building from source fixed the segmentation faults, but it still crashes if I switch to a non-fullscreen imv window from another workspace, spitting out some error about being unable to scale properly.
@rl_dane @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
I’ve started launching my comic reading script in fullscreen by default, though, so it’s not an issue most of the time.
@amin @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
Odd. Is swayimg any better?
@rl_dane @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
It works. I don’t think it has most of the features I use imv for, though. At least not without extensive modification.
@rl_dane @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
Eh, I just build from source if I need something newer. But I use so few graphical applications anyway… I think the only two application menu entries that get used are Signal, Lutris, and Calibre. (Qutebrowser I launch via a keyboard shortcut.)
@amin @rl_dane @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt on a Debian system, even if I build from source I generally do it as Debian source package.
(Same for BSD and ports/pkgsrc, really. Makes it easier to uninstall, upgrade, etc.)
Very few exceptions, like the one-file arc4chkr USB stick (and other media) tester and overwriter.
@mirabilos @rl_dane @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
Yeah, I briefly looked into that but didn't get far enough to fully figure out the process. I should look back at that some time.