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Amin, minor deity of the legume realm25 days until I've been on Debian for two years.
I have no clue, my previous record was one year. Anyone have any ideas?
@rl_dane maybe?
R.L. Dane 
🍵 
Well, it's something like:
- you install Debian when it's had a recent release (like now)
- you install all the packages you need
- for packages you need to have more-up-to-date, you install flatpaks
- you gather the few packages that you need to compile, and compile them,
and then, you just... enjoy the stability. XD
@rl_dane @amin @jlw_the_jobber
Compile your first Gentoo install?
D. Moonfire@jlw_the_jobber @wyatt @rl_dane @amin And then right past it. Gentoo betrayed me many years ago and I won't return to a jilted lover again.
@dmoonfire @jlw_the_jobber @rl_dane @amin
That was me with NixOS. But I am trying at again. Not going the Home Manager route. And haven't made a flake yet.(again)
@wyatt @jlw_the_jobber @rl_dane @amin Yeah. NixOS is not for the sane of mind.
Explains why I like it.
@dmoonfire @wyatt @rl_dane @amin or y'all can be like me and head into the mountains, the Alpine mountains ;p
@jlw_the_jobber @dmoonfire @wyatt @amin
Is Alpine really meant to be a fully-fledged desktop distro, though?
@rl_dane @dmoonfire @wyatt @amin It can be. There documentation has pretty thorough guides to set it up to be used as a daily driver. Add Flatpak and all is good.
@jlw_the_jobber @dmoonfire @wyatt @rl_dane
Alpine and Gentoo both sound really nice to me in theory but I'm not sure I could daily drive them in practice. In any case, I'm too happy with Debian to move.
Nick (Alatar the Blue)@rl_dane @jlw_the_jobber @amin @dmoonfire @wyatt
You should try it for a couple of months. It’s definitely a learning experience.
@alatartheblue @rl_dane @jlw_the_jobber @dmoonfire @wyatt
Maybe after I graduate this December. I don't wanna mess up my computer this close to the finish line.
@dmoonfire @rl_dane @jlw_the_jobber @amin @wyatt
100% a fair perspective.
@amin @alatartheblue @rl_dane @jlw_the_jobber @dmoonfire
Haha you said the same thing during the spring leading up to summer break. But use what software you want! I just think once you get past the hard part of Gentoo, (installation and navigating USE flag issues/troubling update) you'll be fine and actually like it.
@wyatt @alatartheblue @rl_dane @jlw_the_jobber @dmoonfire
And during the summer, I went from Debian 12 to 13, with plenty of time to work around breakages. :)
@wyatt @amin @alatartheblue @rl_dane @jlw_the_jobber My problem with Gentoo was the other end. I had systems that were working and nice and stable, so I didn't touch them for a year. By then, enough of the Gentoo infrastructure had changed that it was impossible to update to the latest version.
When I asked for help, the only thing I got was "it's your fault not for updating weekly". And it wasn't just one person who told me that.
Sadly, RedHat (well, Mandrake) was the same thing. Thing were working so I didn't need to update it very frequently (it was behind a firewall and limited access), so I didn't. Then RPM file format went from v2 to v4 (I don't remember) and the update couldn't handle it.
That is when I jumped to Debian who has a package format that continued to work even if you didn't touch a machine for a few years. :D
@rl_dane @jlw_the_jobber @amin @wyatt @dmoonfire
Indeed; I definitely wouldn’t run Gentoo on a long-neglected machine or something I don’t intend to update with incredible frequency; that’s exactly Debians use case.
I’m surprised with RHEL you got that answer; you should have been able to step upgrade to get where you needed to be. That’s their enterprise guarantee - we’ll support this pinned version for 10 years, and when you go to upgrade you can get there, though you’ll need to step through the versions you skipped because 10 years of changed.
@alatartheblue @rl_dane @jlw_the_jobber @amin @wyatt This was twenty-something years ago. I don't think RHEL was a thing then. I just don't forgive easily even though its my fault for setting up internal machines and then not touching them unless I have to. :D
@wyatt @amin @rl_dane @jlw_the_jobber @dmoonfire
There’s a use case for that- Debian and RHEL both target it. It’s a great use case, and the one most internal server deploys should target. I’d argue that you made the right choice by sticking Debian on them.
There’s 27495826295 different flavors of linux, each one with different strengths. Trying to use a high-frequency-update-barely-stable distro on a “set it and forget it” server is the path to madness and an easy way to wind up “hating” a specific distro. It’s kind of like saying I hate socket wrenches because when I tried to use one to bash in a 10 penny nail it broke - and that’s where I see a lot of the conversations go off the rails when people are distro-shopping.
@dmoonfire @wyatt @amin @alatartheblue @jlw_the_jobber
all (sane) roads lead to #Debian. ;)
@rl_dane @wyatt @alatartheblue @jlw_the_jobber @dmoonfire
I did install that one, actually. Remember, I couldn’t get it connected to my uni’s wifi?
@amin @wyatt @alatartheblue @jlw_the_jobber @dmoonfire
Ahhh, natch. :(
@rl_dane @amin @jlw_the_jobber
Gentoo is very stable. And has more packages. And is a rolling release. So you just install it once.
mirabilos@mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt @amin
Personal preference, of course.
Would I prefer native .debs for everything under the sun? Yes, if Debian went to a yearly release. 😁
@jlw_the_jobber @wyatt @amin @rl_dane eh just become a Debian packager and roll your own, or know someone who does, and/or still your thirst for too-new things
@mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt @amin
and/or still your thirst for too-new things
I honestly don't like the constant software treadmill.
Unfortunately, things like KDE Plasma are currently improving and evolving at a fairly rapid pace, and a semi-annual release cycle is kind of long in the tooth to enjoy the improvements.
But yeah, good point, still. ;)
@rl_dane @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt @amin eh, use IceWM, which evolves slower, or evilwm, which is already almost perfect.
@mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt @amin
I vacillate between KDE and sway. The good thing about KDE is that as a "desktop," desktop-oriented applications just work, and don't require digging into what in the flaming death gnome service needs to be started and properly initialized in order for the program to just run.
*sigh*
@rl_dane @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
SwayWM seems stable enough at this point that I rarely actually notice changes in its updates anymore. So Debian works fine.
@rl_dane @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
I really do want to give another shot at getting X-based WMs working with my display; if for no other reason, my lock screen setup was the most awesome thing I've ever done on Linux and it's just completely impossible to recreate with swaylock.
@amin @rl_dane @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt we can do that if you want, perhaps in a separate thread without @-ing anyone else though? (Can still be unlisted so they can get the fruits of our labour.)
@mirabilos @rl_dane @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
Haha, not right now. I've got schoolwork. I'm talking more of a nebulous future date trying it.
@amin @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
Man, I get SO MUCH DONE in those nebulous future dates. XD
....................................................................not.
Guy who's trying his best :(@rl_dane @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
Future Amin is my arch nemesis. He hates my guts.
@amin @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
Then start treating him well, now!
@rl_dane @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
I need to get revenge in advance for what Past Amin did to me!
@amin @rl_dane @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
This is a very healthy mindset. I approve
@rl_dane @amin @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
Oh yeah? Try telling that to everyone here!
I, oh, right, that's what you were doing.
Erm, carry on
@rl_dane @OpenComputeDesign @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
It helps my current mental health to stick it to the man. "The man", in this case, being my future self.
That'll teach that jerk to think he knows what's best for me to do now.
@amin @rl_dane @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber
I vote Qtile for your window manager. I just love it.
@wyatt @rl_dane @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber
Mmmm, I'll probably start with i3 since I've used it before and can relatively-easily port over my config. Once I've figured out how to get X to handle my display, I can start branching out.
@wyatt @amin @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber
Python configs?
* runs and hides in the corner, shivering nervously
@amin @mirabilos @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt
If you try X11, you have to try #XScreensaver.
The modules are insane, and it seems to have the most secure locking mechanism, or at the very least, it's written by the only person I know of that has ever spent the time to write about the relative (in)security of various linux screen locking mechanisms, #jwz.
@rl_dane @amin @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt jwz is certainly opinionated.
I never figured out how to actually start xscreensaver and stick to xlock, which I know from OpenBSD.
wyatt@mirabilos @rl_dane @amin @jlw_the_jobber @wyatt jwz blocked me for asking why there wasn't alt text on his screenshot of a fedi post that badly used alt text
Before that I respected him more
Before that I respected him more
@wyatt @amin @jlw_the_jobber @rl_dane @wyatt (wait, did you lose your profile picture?)
yeah, he insulted me for asking how to start the screensaver, and if it had been on Fedi he’d have blocked me (alas, Fedi was still a long way to go from back then)
@mirabilos @amin @jlw_the_jobber @rl_dane @wyatt uh i think i still have it? maybe my server's struggling
@wyatt @amin @jlw_the_jobber @rl_dane @wyatt hmm, yes, your server still shows it, but my instance doesn’t…
@mirabilos @amin @jlw_the_jobber @rl_dane @wyatt looks like my SSL cert didn't expire without me realising, so i wonder what happened.
@wyatt @amin @jlw_the_jobber @rl_dane @wyatt huh fun, Semaphore lacks it while FediText still shows it
might be the new GtS update I did, or the umask I did…