Before the Dawn (2019) is, without exaggeration, the worst film I’ve ever seen—and for one giant reason: it’s pedophile apologia.

Yes, the script is laughably bad, the performances are wood stiff, and the whole thing reeks of self-importance. But what really makes it irredeemable is how brazenly it romanticizes statutory rape.

Look at the poster. The framing is a giant red flag: a classroom, a chalkboard, students in their desks—then front and center, a teacher in a low-cut red top pressing forehead-to-forehead with a teenage boy. The film isn’t hiding its subject matter. It’s flaunting it.

And in case you think this is going to be a hard look at a predatory teacher? Nope. The movie bills itself as romance. A tale of “forbidden love.” Complete with sex scenes between a grown adult woman and a student the script explicitly identifies as a child. His own mother calls him that on screen. She’s the lone character sounding alarms, yet even she never calls the cops.

What’s worse is how the movie spins the teacher. She’s not written as a manipulative abuser—she’s painted as a tragic victim of fate, a woman who “just can’t deny her feelings.” But everything she does is textbook predator behavior. She initiates the flirtation. She arranges secret after-school sessions. She isolates him from peers. That’s not chemistry. That’s grooming.

Then comes one of the most revolting narrative choices: she’s raped by another teacher, a jealous colleague. But instead of being treated with the horror it deserves, the assault is basically used to reposition her as the damsel so her student can rush in as a white knight. She’s still framed as sympathetic, while the student’s abuse is reframed as noble love.

And here’s the kicker: lead actress Alana de Freitas didn’t just star as the teacher. She wrote the screenplay. Which makes the whole thing reads like wish fulfillment. The teacher is styled as an almost flawless archetype, her only “sin” being that she “follows her heart.”

The reception is equally nauseating. It sits at 5.8 on IMDb—above average. Read the reviews and you’ll see people praising it as “taboo romance” or “forbidden fruit.” Some even root for the characters to stay together.

Festivals went further. LA Femme International Film Festival nominated it for Best Feature Film. Boston International and Focus International both did likewise. Why on earth are professional festivals handing trophies to what amounts to pedophile propaganda?

Let’s be honest. If the genders were reversed, there would have been outrage. The movie would’ve been buried. Instead, Before the Dawn got distribution through Indie Rights, found its way onto Apple TV, Roku, and Pluto TV, and even snagged a write-up in American Cinematographer—where the DP proudly talks about building rain rigs out of Hudson sprayers and bouncing light off a king-sized bedsheet. Microbudget quirks shouldn’t eclipse the fact that what they were lighting was a sex scene between a teacher and her student.

This gets to the bigger problem: society’s double standard when it comes to female sexual predators. When the abuser is an attractive blonde, too many people celebrate it. “Boys should be grateful,” they say. Grateful that someone with authority over them coerces them into sex? Call it what it is: rape.

And this isn’t some obscure edge case. Google “female teacher charged with sexual assault” and you’ll see fresh arrests almost every week. Women abusing boys. Women abusing girls. These are predators with direct access to children, and somehow movies like Before the Dawn end up celebrating them.

Some defenders try to split hairs, calling this ephebophilia instead of pedophilia. But ephebophilia isn’t even a recognized clinical diagnosis. The law is crystal clear: anyone under the age of consent is a child. Which makes this predatory behavior. Full stop.

Normally, I’d link to streaming platforms so you can judge a film for yourself. Not this time. Before the Dawn disgusts me too much. It’s out there on major corporate platforms, which in itself is damning—they’ll happily profit off a film that romanticizes teacher-student rape, as long as the predator is a pretty woman.

@movies

This gets to the bigger problem: society’s double standard when it comes to female sexual predators.

Careful. You’re stepping into Men’s Rights territory here.

On the contrary, feminists are more likely to point out the double standard exists. And that double standard exists due to patriarchy.
So you’re considering LA Femme International a patriarchal festival? I thought they were very pro-feminism…

I don’t think so. In a patriarchal society, where women are expected to be weak, soft, emotional etc. and men are painted as always horny, it‘s „logical“ (inside the toxic, patriarchal view of the world) that men can’t be raped by women. If a woman initiated sex with a man, and the act happens, it’s because the man wanted it. Otherwise he could’ve easily fought the woman of.

Boys that are raped by older women are (were?) expected to be grateful, that a woman taught them about „love“.

IMHO it’s not a „Meninist“ point of view to talk about these problems, because they are a consequence of toxic masculinity in patriarchal societies.

@atomicpoet @movies is she a Mormon or something like that?
Nope, in the film she teaches at a Catholic school.

I recall seeing the description on Apple TV and thinking WTF?

It’s also worth noting that there’s no Wikipedia page for this, which is at the very least odd in a world where pages exist for movies that haven’t even been released yet.

It’s also worth noting that there’s no Wikipedia page for this, which is at the very least odd in a world where pages exist for movies that haven’t even been released yet.

That’s pretty fascinating. Not even a mention on the disambiguation page.

Before the Dawn - Wikipedia

Some defenders try to split hairs, calling this ephebophilia instead of pedophilia. But ephebophilia isn’t even a recognized clinical diagnosis.

Using language correctly is important when trying to convey a message without it being misunderstood, which is why it’s necessary to specify the difference between paedophilia (prepubescent), hebephilia (early stage adolescent), and ephebophilia (mid-late stage adolescent), and medical guidelines differ among states and countries. There is a clinical differentiation in my country.
Regardless, others prefer the term Minor Attracted Person/s or MAP. This at least solves any quandary regarding terminology.

Pretty sure they’re just pedophiles with a thesaurus.

I don’t give a damn about how pedophiles prefer to be addressed.

Also, we don’t welcome pedophile apologists in this community so you’re banned.

Being pedantic about terms is apologia? lol. lmao even.

It ain’t pedantry. They’re weasel words cooked up to wallpaper what people are: pedophiles.

And I’m banning anyone who engages or supports such nonsense.

You need your hard drive rated

Using language correctly is important when trying to convey a message without it being misunderstood, which is why it’s necessary to specify the difference

If used correctly, it is rather useful to point out that not all child rapists are necessarily pedophiles, meaning there’s some other risk-factors. This could be useful for example during testing for high-risk positions like teachers, if those are being done.

The best way to go in my opinion is terms like “child predator” and “child rapist”, similarly to how you wouldn’t call rapist of an adult a “teleiophile”, a term for people attracted to adults. 100% accurate.

Since the topic of the movie seems to be the acceptability of someone actually abusing a minor, doesn’t seem like it should really matter the specifics of their pathology. The word ‘molester’ seems like a more relevant catch-all term here.
The guy who made that term was a pedophile trying to make a form of pedophilia acceptable.

Okay. Let’s walk you through this.

What’s your definition of pedophile/pedophilia?

Tell me yours. Anything other than “a sexual predator of people below the age of consent” gets you banned.

“Someone who is attracted to the prepubescent human body and/or minors in general”

You should really read up on studies of how many child predators are pedophiles (or the other two). If I remember correctly its around 1/5 to 2/5ths. Most of the time predators target children because its vulnerable.

BTW treating Pedos and child predators as a 1:1 relationship gives child predators a way to rationalize their behavor.

It doesn’t matter if they’re pre-pubescent or otherwise. What matters is that all minors cannot legally consent.

Ergo, anyone who acts upon this attraction is a sexual predator. Specifically, a pedophile.

And just to be clear, this is not up for debate.

Did you delete my comment?
Nope, if I delete your comment, I will tell you.
Alright. My instance has some weird issues with showing me my own stuff.
Also I didn’t ask your opinion.
You didn’t ask my opinion, but since I mod this community, I very much want to know yours. 🙂
Huh. Mod status doesn’t seem to federate between Piefed and Lemmy
I'm not going to listen to a pedophile try and "walk you through this" and get me to start using the term "MAPs". The only people encouraging the use of that term are pedophiles and apoligists so which are you?

I’m not going to listen to a pedophile try and “walk you through this”

Then don’t. I’m not a pedo I just don’t falsely equate mental illness to child rape.

If someone has murderous fantasies, with the constant urge to murder—and has obsessive ideations thereof—we don’t tolerate it. We recognize it for what it is: a serious danger to the safety of others.

No amount of euphemisms, rebranding, or “destigmatization” talk changes the fact that these thoughts, when nurtured and indulged, put people at risk.

Same is true with pedophilia. The line is clear: it requires intervention, treatment, and strict boundaries. Not indulgence, not romanticization, and certainly not online communities that frame it as an “identity.”

If someone has murderous fantasies, with the constant urge to murder—and has obsessive ideations thereof—we don’t tolerate it.

That’s not true actually. Society has to know about it first.

pedophilia requires…

I agree. It’s a mental illness.

Once again: when someone says, “I have a craving to shoot up a school,” the right thing to do is contact the police to prevent a mass murder from occurring.

And when someone says, “I have an urge to have sex with a minor,” you likewise do the same thing.

It is better to prevent a crime than to wait for one to happen.

Yes I know. I am not advocating or whatever for people to ignore child predation. Where did you get that idea?
Amazing, the apologia continues in the comments here in a few forms. This movie really catalyzes the heart of the issue, which you pointed out. The double standard around female pedophiles needs to END.

Fucking poster creepy as fuck too. Looks like some Christian propaganda to make marrying children okay.

How the hell is this on any mainstream platform. I’m not shocked though Hollywood is full of pedophiles and those that exploit youth. There is also Loving Annabelle that also has great ratings

Look at that poster and the ratings. This was a movie about a teacher that is seduced by her student. Spoiler at least the teacher gets arrested in the end.

When the abuser is an attractive blonde, too many people celebrate it. “Boys should be grateful,” they say.

Yeah, unfortunately I’ve even seen my father say something of that sort. An underage student (male) reported a teacher (female) for raping him. My father noted how stupid he was, and that he should have just been happy and consider himself lucky.
Unfortunately I felt like I had no right to respond to that as I was the same age as that student at the time.

Hey OP there’s this amazing movie called Licorice Pizza from visionary director/auteur Paul Thomas Anderson which you should check out. It’s a 70s period piece drama-comedy about young people struggling to hit personal development milestones - or trying to hit them way too early!

It’s a tasteful look at an odd couple relationship that doesn’t shy away from asking hard questions or being morally ambiguous. Something about it reminded me of the Coen brothers film A Serious Man specifically but it had a similar sense of humour to all their movies. Easily one of the best films of the 2020s for me. As an easter egg for PTA fans it is wild to see Philip Seymoure Hoffman’s son take a leading role when they look so similar and his father featured so heavily in the other PTA movies.

It is loosely based on a true story too. Paul Thomas Anderson is friends with the now grown male protagonist.
I thought you were talking about After the Dark (2013) until I saw the picture. Man that movie also has creepy pedophilic undertones and is a very bad movie if anyone wants to hear my rage over it.

Boy is raped by adult woman, the media: teacher had sex with student and gets a $1000 fine and 2 weeks of community service!

Girl is raped by adult man: pedophilic teacher rapes young girl, get 30 years in prison.