I got two work shirts at the same time. Both size 44, same manufacturer, theoretically identical shirts.
Almost a full letter grade size difference, one is basically a L and the other was almost an XL.
How do they fuck up 2 supposedly identical shirts? Fucked if I know.
How do they fuck up 2 supposedly identical shirts? Fucked if I know.
Well, clothes are still sewn by low-paid workers in sweatshops, not industrial robots, so I guess some variation is to be expected.
This isn’t just a problem with women’s jeans which have arbitrary size numbers. Even men’s jeans which are size by the actual waist and inseam measurement can be wrong. In addition to vanity sizing, cheaper jeans are also made from larger material cuts out of the patterns at the same time to save manufacturing cost sometimes twice as many as shown here:
Those at the top or bottom of the stack may end up a bit smaller or a bit larger than the pattern, but they all get marked with the same size.
Whether it was this manufacturing problem or vanity sizing, this is why I stopped buying Old Navy jeans. I could pick out 3 jeans all labeled with the same size and one would fit okay, one would be too small, and one too large. I have never had this problem with Eddie Bauer jeans.
Even men’s jeans which are size by the actual waist and inseam measurement can be wrong.
They’re not generally sized by the actual waist measurement. I wear 33W and my pants all measure about 36" around the belt line. The “waist” measurement derives from many decades ago when men wore high-waisted pants where the waist was a few inches smaller than the circumference around the hips, where waistlines are today. Men were also generally a lot fitter back then, too!
I’m very glad men’s pants and shorts are done by waist measurement, and is an actual measurement.
Shirt sizing has been pretty consistent as well, in my experience.
And then imagine how it feels like to shop for clothes if your body doesn’t even conform to the expected average norms.
I god damn hate it. Stuff is either too wide or too short, the sleeves are NEVER long enough, the only available shoes that fit and don’t feel like torture are jogging shoes or sneakers, the neck width is never sufficient (unless you buy men’s clothes, which will look like a tent because tits weren’t part of the equasion)…
Uuugh, I hate shopping for clothes. -.-
You should be super angry about this. First, clothes sizing is based off of a size 4 fit model let’s call her Gwen. Gwen is the designers idea of the perfect woman. She’s usually white, and she has perfect proportions. All the jeans from the brand are sized up from Gwen’s butt. Clothes are made to fit Gwen, not you, and when you go into the shop, things don’t fit, we always blame ourselves and our bodies. Even though the clothes were never intended to fit us they were intended to fit Gwen.
And guess what. When standard sizes were first measured at least in the US, they purposely excluded women of color. So the basis of sizing is completely biased.
The only positive, there are now a bunch of independent sewing pattern companies that have more diverse fits of clothing. Sewing and tailoring and pattern drafting are the best way to stop supporting all the companies that produce fast, racist fashion. If you want to make affordable clothing, look for a creative reuse store for inexpensive fabric to practice on. There’s tons of free information on YouTube to learn sewing.
Those differences actually make sense to me. If you try to sell pants with the same length inseam in Honduras and the Netherlands, you’ll either prop up the local tailoring industry or fail. Those at least have an inseam measurement, but a medium shirt is going to have to be made for different proportions as well.
I think men’s and women’s sizes could be adapted to be more focused on body shape and less on gender, but I get where they’re coming from. Women are on average smaller than men, so a women’s medium will similarly be smaller than a men’s medium.
Yes, though you would have to remember more numbers if you’re not making gendered sizes, things like the diameter of the arm hole and the distance between the neck and shoulder, but it’s not like there’s no way to do it. It’s just easier for clothing companies to gender clothes and most people don’t care enough to do anything about it.
People’s clothes would probably fit a lot better though.
Yeah but, shoe industry at least have the consistent going on…sort of.
As someone from south east asia, my size is like below average even for asian standard, which mean i can’t expect to buy cloth and fit if i visit europe or US. Cloth from Uniqlo kinda fit me tho but i guess their shirt might be unisex.
Being the kid sucks worse
You’re dragged around the store as a living mannequin, while simultaneously being bored out of your mind
I was in a clothing store last week that only started at L for mens clothing. Theres also a shoe store closeby that only sells mens shoes for 40 (EU) and above.
Like wtf, there are plenty of men that are smaller than 180cm and that have small feet. At least give me some options. These are the same stores that complain that everybody orders their shit online nowadays.
Yeah! Last time I go into a store called “Destination XL.”
(I’m joking, I saw the rest of your comments about this.)
“outside straight sizes” wat? they have gay sizes too?
Shopping for trousers as a fat kid before elastic waistbands became mainstream on “regular” clothes was an extended humiliation. “The waist is too tight! the legs are too long!” No, I’m just fucking deformed because I’m fat.
Straight sizes (xs - xxxl) vs Plus sizes (0x - 5x)
Designers create garments for one size (typically Large), and then scale it down and up for the other sizes, but above a certain threshold that doesn’t proportion correctly, so plus sizes are scaled from 2x.
wdym
Nah. I’m over 12. Use words?
Nah. I’m over 12
But under 25, otherwise ‘wdym’ would be part of your native tongue. At this point the kids are probably saying something more like ‘low wizzer’ or whatever dark magic is used to make up Zoomer slang.
(‘wdym’ - ‘What Do You Mean?’)
We’re old. We don’t set the trends or standards anymore. If we want to keep participating, we have to adapt to their style they aren’t going to adopt our older standards.
Sew your own
There’s a ton of tutorials on YT, and a basic sewing machine is like $80
and not being made under exploitive labour conditions.
It’s that last one that’ll get you.
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