@rl_dane

Have any advice for those of us who hypothetically self-host so much they can't tell if the internet or their server is down, have run Linux-only for years, code frequently, and know nothing "basic" but everything "weird"? Asking for a friend.

@amin @rl_dane monitoring via gatus, uptime kuma or nagios on a separate server sending you alerts via ntfy

Of course...all self hostable.

Gatus and kuma will let you know if any of your services are down.
Of course you then run into the problem of "what monitors the monitor", so stick a minimal gatus/kuma on your main fleet that just does uptime checks on you monitoring service

Eaaaasy! 😆

@amin @rl_dane seems maybe I missed the context of the thread...
Apologies! 😆

I cannot help with making friends... 😂

@paul @amin

I mean, does it say something about our crazy community that we didn't even miss a beat and just assumed that giving concrete technological recommendations was needed? XD

@rl_dane @amin not so sure about concrete... I tried to imply the solution is absolutely ludicrous, but necessarily ludicrous, because self-hosting is fun except when it isn't

Edit: but even then it still sort of is

@paul @amin

And when it isn't, BOY HOWDY it isn't.

"Self hosting NextCloud is super easy! Just install this snap/Docker and make these few configuration changes..."
> "Ok, cool, it's working!"
> "Wait, now it won't start. What do I do?"
"Ellifiknow, you know how to troubleshoot a SQL database?"
> "Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh"

@rl_dane @paul

No no no no I remember installing NextCloud via snap. It also installed all of gnome-desktop on my tiny VPS completely taking up all CPU cycles to the point I couldn't uninstall anything. I had to slowly run top (which responded super slowly) and kill all the processes.

@amin @paul

Oh man, I remember Gnome bringing my computer to its knees circa 2019.

It was gnome-tracker. Killed EVERY box I ever ran Gnome on back in the day. Horrid.

And my little find script runs in (checks...) four seconds at the most once per hour, and the searches are faster than even krunner, using only grep.

How do they make this stuff so stinking BAD?!?

@rl_dane @paul

GNOME 40 was actually pretty nifty. That was the moment I first fell in love with Linux.

@amin @paul

38 was the last one I used, I think. I was kinda done with it when they announced the integer versioning scheme. I've always hated that.

@sotolf @paul @amin

Highly opinionated software/projects are only ok when you opinion doesn't absolutely suck, and especially when that opinion isn't forced on the entire community as the default.

Nobody is yelling at "Hot Dog Linux" (that's actually a thing, named after the garish Windows 3.x theme) for being ugly, because it's not the default anywhere.

Somebody gets the great idea to make something crappy like Gnome 3 or systemd the default everywhere, and then the apologists have the gall to say crap like "You're not being FoRcEd to use it!" as if it's a trivial choice to move away from the defaults, especially when they're system components.

@rl_dane @sotolf @paul

People in this thread are forgetting that I actually liked the DE you're all saying no one likes and it was the reason I first fell in love with Linux.

@amin @sotolf @paul

I don't have a problem with the DE itself. That's a matter of taste, preference, and workflow.

Its everything else about it that wigs me out. Culture, structure, governance.

Somehow these types of conversations always go sideways due to semantics. Sometimes due to subterfuge, but mostly just honest miscommunication.

@rl_dane @sotolf @paul

I haven't looked too much into that side but I've liked what I've seen.

@amin @sotolf @paul

I may be way off base, but everything I've seen from that community has been corporate-level insufferable smugness.

@rl_dane @sotolf @paul

Hm. That's not what I've seen browsing GNOME Planet or reading the HIG, but it's possible.

@amin @sotolf @paul

I mean, the HIG is fine, I guess, but that's just a document.

And I guess the latter is their forum or whatever, and yeah, I'm sure you'll find some helpful people on there being helpful.

But what about the way they've silenced people and ejected people from their org with zero transparency. (Don't ask me for deets, the last thing I want to do is go look up a lunduke article X'D )

What about their dismissive and condescending attitude towards their own users, saying "for the love of God, don't change this, it breaks my workflow!"

@rl_dane @sotolf @paul

And I guess the latter is their forum or whatever, and yeah, I'm sure you'll find some helpful people on there being helpful.

No, no, haha, "GNOME Planet" is essentially a combined feed of the blogs of GNOME designers/programmers. Similar terminology is used by a lot of other projects for similar combined feeds. (For example, Planet Debian: https://planet.debian.org/ )

@sotolf @rl_dane @paul

It's just unfiltered articles from RSS feeds of anyone marked as an official developer (and I think possibly from devs of some apps in the ecosystem). 🤷

@amin @sotolf @paul

I've spoken to at least one official dev on here, and while the conversation was mostly cordial, his attitude was a bit much.

Ask @tripplehelix, he probably remembers the convo.

@rl_dane @sotolf @paul @tripplehelix

I don't actually have any beef in either direction (I am beefless—vegetarian, even); I don't use GNOME anymore or plan to use it in the forseeable future.

@rl_dane @sotolf @paul @tripplehelix

I'm more likely to code my own WM than go back to GNOME.

@sotolf @rl_dane @paul @tripplehelix

I can't get X to work right with my HiDPI screen. If things are scaled right, they're at half the resolution/DPI my screen supports.