redrevjoseRussia will use nuclear weapons in response to attacks deep into the country — deputy Kolesnik
Water is wet in other news.
Go.fuck.yourself.russia
yeyeye orrrrr the US empire could end it’s proxy war and NATO colonialism!
You comment on your post about how an imperialist colonizer who is attempting to annex their neighbor against their will is threatening to use nukes for the millionth time, which they got from that neighbor in exchange for promising not to invade them. Fuck of you imperialist lapdog goon.
Cowbee [he/they]The 4 oblasts, which is what Russia is trying to annex, voted to join Russia. The Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics (not socialist, despite the name) both requested Russia to come in and help them against Kiev’s shelling of them.
Russia has no colonies, not since the Tsar. As the USSR, it was anti-imperialist and anti-colonial, and as the modern Russian Federation, it is too poor to practice imperialism, it lacks the financial capital necessary to plunder the global south. The dissolution of the USSR was devatating for their economy, even though they are capitalist now and thus would logically benefit from imperialism, they can’t actually practice it as the western Empire is already set up and fully saturates the global south.
Try not to break your back bending over backwards that hard to justify Russian imperialism.
None of this is backbreaking, it’s well-established history even outlets like the New York Times were reporting on. Further, annexation isn’t imperialism by itself, the goal of the war isn’t plunder or expropriation of wealth, it’s to establish a buffer zone so the west can’t as easily invade by land. My stance is similar to communist orgs like PSL and FRSO. I’m a communist.
The gymnastics you’re displaying in avoiding the hard details of what’s going on, on the other hand, is more back breaking. Why are you batting so hard for the Banderites and the US Empire? Why not support the people of Donetsk and Luhansk?
PSL statement: NATO expansion must end to guarantee peace in Ukraine
The dramatic events in recent days demonstrates how the very existence of NATO poses a grave threat to peace around the world. The abolition of NATO would resolve the explosive tensions in Eastern Europe and represent a historic step towards world peace. #antiimperialism #antiwar #NATO
You mean the little green men?
…what? Are you genuinely implying that everyone in the Donbass region is a disguised Russian soldier?
Are you seriously standing with Russian capital and oligarchs over the working people of Ukraine? Based on your above comments you don’t seem to have a problem with the USSR using military occupation to stop satellite states from leaving their orbit. Surprise surprise, you suddenly oppose it when anyone other than Russia does it. In any event, nobody except Russia considers those referenda results even remotely credible. You’re just another pro-imperial campist.
Extreme western chauvanism coming from you. I am standing with the people of the Donbass region, who saw the president they supported, Yanukovych, ousted in a western-backed coup justified by a Banderite false-flag massacre. I stand with the working class of Ukraine that increasingly opposes this war.
I stand against the Banderites that violently overtook the Ukrainian government and turned it into a far-right gangster state, where even Ukrainian allies are reporting about their immense corruption even during wartime. I oppose NATO, and the US Empire using Ukraine as a proxy to deal as much damage to Russia as possible while carving Ukraine out for resources.
The SSRs and SFSRs overwhelmingly supported remaining in the USSR. There were nationalist and fascist movements in some of these SSRs and SFSRs, including the Banderite OUN in Ukraine that collaborated with the Nazis, and I oppose those anticommunist, often antisemitic movements. At the same time, if a nation decides to secede due to a far-right nationalist group coming to power, and is therefore the target of state violence, then I support them.
It isn’t just Russia that supports the Donbass region and their referenda, it’s widespread across the global south. From Cuba to the Sahel States to Venezuela, Belarus, Iran, the PRC, India, Mali, the DPRK, Eritrea, etc. You have an extremely western viewpoint. I’m not a “pro-imperial campist,” I’m a dues-paying communist, and I hold views dominant among communists and anti-imperialists.
establish a buffer zone so the west can’t as easily invade by land
Lolwut. The same west who’s sole military arm is currently licking Putin’s boots? Seems to me Russia had a much simpler and easier strategy if that’s all they wanted: bide their time and not get involved with any foreign military actions.
America seems to be collapsing (with or without their interference) and Europe wouldn’t have any public support for militarization without Putin rolling tanks around and brandishing nukes. NATO could have easily dissolved without doing anything in a decade or two, it was already starting to be viewed as a Cold War relic in the west.
You’re saying it’s logical to risk all of that just to help some poor, needy rebels? They need to defend themselves by painting themselves as the largest active aggressor? That’s just straight up bad geopolitical strategy. The 'Merica-Bad goggles have really messed with your vision.
The west is not “licking Putin’s boots.” They’ve realized that decades of millitary-industrial complex rot has decayed productive capacity, so the west has flashy tools but lacks the logistics to field a long-term war. Still, NATO served its function, as a millitant alliance of imperialist states meant to terrorize and force the world into capitulation.
It isn’t just the US that is collapsing, Europe is too. It depends on the same system of imperialism the US spearheads, that’s why the EU acts in near lock-step with the US when it comes to foreign policy. NATO will not dissolve until imperialism dissolves, even if it requires making up a new enemy constantly.
Russia likely cares little for the seperatists in the Donbass region. What it cares about is NATO neutrality, and establishing a buffer zone in the Donbass that prevents NATO from launching an easy land-invasion over the same route the Nazis took in World War II in Operation Barbarossa. It seems that Russia is going to achieve all of its stated goals, so if that’s “bad geopolitical strategy” then I’d have to say that there aren’t many countries I’d say qualify for “good geopolitical strategy.”
I don’t have “Merica bad” goggles, I’m a Marxist-Leninist. The US Empire is bad, but my thought-process, like other communists, focuses on taking a dialectical materialist approach, including analysis of imperialism in the west, and how that drives western foreign policy, and reaction towards that policy. If you want some place to start with reading theory, I made an introductory Marxist-Leninist reading list.
Read Theory, Darn it! An Introductory Reading List for Marxism-Leninism - Lemmy
“Without Revolutionary theory, there can be no Revolutionary Movement.” — Vladimir Lenin, What is to be Done? [http://www.marx2mao.com/Lenin/WD02.html] | Audiobook [https://tankie.tube/w/seGAATanGtfufEkQoLH1X3] It’s time to read theory, comrades! As Lenin says, “Despair is typical of those who do not understand the causes of evil, see no way out, and are incapable of struggle.” Marxism-Leninism is broken into 3 major components, as noted by Lenin in his pamphlet The Three Sources and Three Component Parts of Marxism [http://www.marx2mao.com/Lenin/CPM13.html]: | Audiobook [https://tankie.tube/w/8yUvkgJ4m5ZHPdESAyjg8k] 1. Dialectical and Historical Materialism 2. Critique of Capitalism along the lines of Marx’s Law of Value 3. Advocacy for Revolutionary and Scientific Socialism As such, I created the following list to take you from no knowledge whatsoever of Leftist theory, and leave you with a strong understanding of the critical fundamentals of Marxism-Leninism in an order that builds up as you read. Let’s get started! Section I: Getting Started What the heck is Communism, anyways? For that matter, what is fascism? 1. Friedrich Engels’ Principles of Communism [http://www.marx2mao.com/M&E/PC47.html] | Audiobook [https://tankie.tube/w/8JtpMuYQ6Ho6gzYtLLuL4k] The FAQ of Communism, written by the Luigi of the Marx & Engels duo. Quick to read, and easy to reference, this is the perfect start to your journey. 2. Michael Parenti’s Blackshirts and Reds [https://c.encryptionin.space/epubs/blackshirts-and-reds/] | Audiobook [https://tankie.tube/w/uZFGgeJsE4bHHBTd1m3eFK] Parenti’s characteristic wit is on full display in this historical contextualization and analysis of fascism and Communism. Line after line, Parenti debunks anti-Communist myths. This is also an excellent time to watch the famous “Yellow Parenti” [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP8CzlFhc14] speech. Section II: Historical and Dialectical Materialism Ugh, philosophy? Really? YES! 3. Georges Politzer’s Elementary Principles of Philosophy [https://c.encryptionin.space/epubs/elementary-principles-of-philosophy/] | Audiobook [https://tankie.tube/w/wv44hU6NjoLgn6yrnXBQjc] By understanding Dialectical and Historical Materialism first, you make it easier to understand the rest of Marxism-Leninism. Don’t be intimidated! 4. Friedrich Engels’ Socialism: Utopian and Scientific [http://www.marx2mao.com/M&E/SUS80.html] | Audiobook [https://tankie.tube/w/nhVVanPX5WPVor7Yy7TDrp?start=3h13m40s] Engels introduces Scientific Socialism, explaining how Capitalism itself prepares the conditions for public ownership and planning by centralizing itself into monopolist syndicates and cartels. Section III: Political Economy That’s right, it’s time for the Law of Value and a deep-dive into Imperialism. If we are to defeat Capitalism, we must learn it’s mechanisms, tendencies, contradictions, and laws. 5. Karl Marx’s Wage Labor and Capital [http://www.marx2mao.com/M&E/WLC47.html] | Audiobook [https://tankie.tube/w/nhVVanPX5WPVor7Yy7TDrp?start=1h35m58s] & Wages, Price and Profit [http://www.marx2mao.com/M&E/WPP65.html] | Audiobook [https://youtube.com/watch?v=TjhVZW3HJzM] Best taken as a pair, these essays simplify the most important parts of the Law of Value. 6. Vladimir Lenin’s Imperialism, The Highest Stage of Capitalism [http://www.marx2mao.com/Lenin/IMP16.html] | Audiobook [https://tankie.tube/w/8STrUAEfwiFGRFcRsSNqtv] The era of Imperialism, which as the primary contradiction cascades downward into all manner of related secondary contradictions. Section IV: Revolutionary and Scientific Socialism Can we defeat Capitalism at the ballot box? What about just defeating fascism? What about the role of the state? 7. Rosa Luxemburg’s Reform or Revolution [https://www.marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/1900/reform-revolution/] | Audiobook [https://tankie.tube/w/k5tp58hyGPpTRUtpB79Kra] If Marxists believed reforming Capitalist society was possible, we would be the first in line for it. Sadly, it isn’t. 8. Vladimir Lenin’s The State and Revolution [http://www.marx2mao.com/Lenin/SR17.html] | Audiobook [https://tankie.tube/w/6M8bL2HGs5rGXmvThU1JG5] Further analyzes the necessity of Revolution and introduces the economic basis for the withering away of the State. Section V: National Liberation, De-colonialism, and Solidarity The revolution will not be fought by individuals, but by an intersectional, international working class movement. Solidarity allows different marginalized groups to work together in collective interest, unifying into a single broad movement. Marxists support the Right of Self-Determination for all peoples and support National Liberation movements against Imperialism. 9. Vikky Storm & Eme Flores’ The Gender Accelerationist Manifesto [https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/vikky-storm-the-gender-accelerationist-manifesto] | (No Audiobook yet) Breaks down misogyny, and queerphobia, as well as how to move beyond the base subject of “gender” from a Historical Materialist perspective. 10. Leslie Feinberg’s Lavender & Red [https://www.workers.org/book/lavender-red/] | Audiobook [https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXUFLW8t2snsEPC7kkMKkZf-45FrnJTO7] When different social groups fight for liberation together along intersectional lines, they are emboldened and empowered ever-further. 11. Frantz Fanon’s The Wretched of the Earth [https://archive.org/details/the-wretched-of-the-earth] | Audiobook [https://tankie.tube/w/p/f3tK7UC2HAK1WLUNg4yVen] & Paulo Freire’s Pedagogy of the Oppressed [https://archive.org/details/FreirePedagogyOfTheOppresed] | Audiobook [https://tankie.tube/w/koxxesz38QPVKaAFr8iVTF] De-colonialism is essential to Marxism. Without having a strong, de-colonial, internationalist stance, we have no path to victory nor justice. These books are best taken as a pair, read in quick succession. Section VI: Putting it into Practice! It’s not enough to endlessly read, you must put theory to practice. That is how you can improve yourself and the movements you support. Touch grass! 12. Mao Tse-Tung’s On Practice [http://www.marx2mao.com/Mao/OP37.html] & On Contradiction [http://www.marx2mao.com/Mao/OC37.html] | Audiobook [https://tankie.tube/w/qnzYg56huhwgKYk9Py3mcR] Mao wrote simply and directly to peasant soldiers during the Revolutionary War in China. This pair of essays equip the reader to apply the analytical tools of Dialectical Materialism to their every day practice. 13. Vladimir Lenin’s “Left-Wing” Communism, an Infantile Disorder [http://www.marx2mao.com/Lenin/LWC20.html] | Audiobook [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh84f8czc7g] Common among new leftists is dogmatism over pragmatism. Everyone wants perfection, but dogmatic “left” anti-Communists let perfection become the enemy of progress. 14. Jones Manoel’s Western Marxism Loves Purity and Martyrdom, But Not Real Revolution [https://blackagendareport.com/western-marxism-loves-purity-and-martyrdom-not-real-revolution] | (No Audiobook yet) Common among western leftists is fetishization of Marxism, rather than using it as a tool for analysis and social change. This article helps rectify that. 15. Liu Shaoqi’s How to be a Good Communist [https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/liu-shaoqi/1939/how-to-be/index.htm] | Audiobook [https://tankie.tube/w/kzi58GMjH9DzSBqz1eTXVb] Organizing is a skill. If we are to be successful, we must work to better ourselves. Congratulations, you completed your introductory reading course! With your new understanding and knowledge of Marxism-Leninism, here is a mini What is to be Done? of your own to follow, and take with you as practical advice. 1. Get organized. The Party for Socialism and Liberation [https://pslweb.org/], Freedom Road Socialist Organization [https://frso.org/], and Red Star Caucus [https://redstarcaucus.org/] all organize year round, every year, because the battle for progress is a constant struggle. See if there is a chapter near you, or start one! 2. Read theory. Don’t think that you are done now! Just because you have the basics, doesn’t mean you know more than you do. If you have not investigated a subject, don’t speak on it! 3. Aggressively combat white supremacy, misogyny, queerphobia, and other attacks on marginalized communities. Cede no ground, let nobody go forgotten. 4. Be industrious, and self-sufficient. Take up gardening, home repair, tinkering. It is through practice that you elevate your knowledge. 5. Learn self-defense. Get armed, if practical. Be ready to protect yourself and others. 6. Be persistent. If you feel like a single water droplet against a mountain, think of canyons and valleys. With consistency, every rock, boulder, mountain, can be drilled through with nothing but water droplets. “Everything under heaven is in utter chaos; the situation is excellent.” — Mao Tse-Tung Credits [https://lemmy.ml/comment/15046925]
Nothing you’ve touched on has any relevancy to your purported support of the people in the Donbass region. Unless your theory is that Russia is a bastion of socialist empowerment and not 5 capitalists in a trench coat, every single one of your talking points is carrying water for Russian imperial ambition. Swapping out one master for another isn’t breaking your shackles. I hope Moscow is at least cutting you a check for your hard work.
The west is not “licking Putin’s boots.”
The guy in charge of the nukes has been in closer contact with Moscow than any western official in the last 50+ years. He’s constantly spewing support on stage, in the media and in private meetings. He’s been holding this stance well before his first term in office. How can NATO be any kind of threat when he’s in your pocket?
His own sycophants are constantly spouting the same NATO talking points as you. Truly you’re a student of 20th century Stalinism when your foreign policy somehow aligns perfectly with every contemporary fascist and proto-fascist government.
It seems that Russia is going to achieve all of its stated goals
When did I deny that? I’m pointing out that taking this aggressive route is a backward approach if maintaining a strong defensive stance is your primary goal. It’s almost like they wanted to gamble for more unstated goals than just that. Taking territory is only necessary if you insist on a future escalation or want to exploit its people/resources.
I know you’re going to try to explain how this obvious Bad Thing (exploitation and escalation) is really a Good Thing via some Rube Goldberg-esque logical knots. Save your keyboard, I’m just not gonna buy that some special flavors of international meddling via national ambitions are good when your whole argument is formulated against it.
And don’t bother with your cherry picked reading list. It’s all formal dialectics until a different source makes some cogent points at the flaws in your dogma. Then it’s endless genetic fallacies and character attacks on sources with no original thought or debate. We can have a real discussion when you come up with a talking point that isn’t copy-paste.
KimBongUn420What no reading theory does to a mf. Supporting Ukrainian fascists and spouting the same foreign policy as western governments. You libs only understand critical support when it’s Joe Biden
Brother I took literally no stance on any domestic Ukrainian politics. “Critical support” is a horse shit excuse for not having the moral fiber to push back on your propoganda regimen. Somehow every whiff of a staged coup is an affront to human decency but foreign tanks rolling in and blowing up hospitals is complex and multilayered?
Crazy that we have every fascist regime lining up with Putin in a united opposition to… more fascists? With your favorite leftist talking heads in tow? It doesn’t make sense at a fundamental level and it’s trivial to trace the rhetoric back to who it most benefits. But sure, make a strawman and call me whatever you want if it helps ease the cognitive dissonance.
“Critical support” is a horse shit excuse for not having the moral fiber to push back on your propoganda regimen.
Are you ok?
Somehow every whiff of a staged coup is an affront to human decency but foreign tanks rolling in and blowing up hospitals is complex and multilayered?
I’d same the same thing if I didn’t know what imperialism is
Crazy that we have every fascist regime lining up with Putin in a united opposition to… more fascists?
Crazy how all western governments enemies are fascist. What’s hegemony btw
trivial to trace the rhetoric back to who it most benefits.
Who does benefit from the war in Ukraine?
This is very silly.
All of what I said is relevant, being a communist is more than just supporting socialist countries. It also means supporting movements against obstacles for socialism, and progressive national liberation movements as well. Palestine has been most consistently supported by communists, despite not being socialist. In the case of Russia, it’s indeed a capitalist country, but one that is forced to work against western imperialism, the greatest obstacle to socialism globally, and do lots of trade with socialist countries like the PRC.
Trump is not in Putin’s pocket. You need to pay attention to what politicians actually do. Trump has been consistently arming Ukraine, now that it looks like there’s no chance of Ukrainian victory, Trump wants to look like a peacemaker and claim credit for ending the war. Simple as that. Russia does not have nearly the influence you fear they do, stop with this BlueAnon nonsense.
You remain deeply confused, because your claim is that Russia either intends on plundering the Donbass, or using it as a staging ground for further attack. Neither of those points are backed by evidence, though, and run counter to the stated aims for Russia, and the previous Minsk agreements! Your argument rests on vapor and vibes, and is trying to pretend all annexation is imperialism, which just wraps around to not understanding anything at all.
Not sure what you mean by your last point. My reading list is designed to be relatively quick to get through, otherwise I’d put literally everything on it. If you have a suggestion for something I am missing, then feel free to make a suggestion! What do you mean by “copy and paste” arguments? My arguments are very consistent with other communist orgs like PSL and FRSO. I suggest you read at least the Prolewiki article on imperialism. Here’s there section on the Russian Federation:
In certain circles, there have been attempts to paint the Russo-Ukrainian conflict as a war between two imperialist countries, the United States and Russia. Similarly to the above Chinese example, this is incorrect.
Unlike the western powers, Russia does not have any capital monopolies that control the world market or supply chains. Russia having Gazprom and an extraction industry doesn’t mean they are imperialist. The essence of imperialism is monopolistic on a global scale, which is precisely why Russia is not imperialist, not whether they have capital generally. A perfect example of monopolies that share the world amongst themselves is the West, specifically the United States in their control of the WEF, IMF, World Bank, and UN Security Council, allowing the western powers to enforce this dominance through jingoistic foreign policy, embargoes, and hindering the development of other countries. Neither Russia nor China has anywhere close to this level of global power through finance capital.
Russia lacks finance capital and division of the world’s resources. It only has 4 of the top 100 corporations in the world and 6 of the top 500. 82% of Russian exports are raw materials, including 58% oil, 11% metal, and 6% food. In 2017, Russia imported $106.2 billion worth’ of machine goods and only exported $12.8 billion. Russia does not have any of the top 100 corporations in terms of capital export, and most Russian capital export is capital flight to tax havens. Russia only controls 0.7% of the world’s wealth and has much less wealth per adult than the United States ($8,843 vs $336,528). Russia has intervened militarily in other countries such as Yugoslavia, Georgia, Ukraine, and Syria, but not to seize natural resources like imperialist countries do.[7]
Trump is not in Putin’s pocket. You need to pay attention to what politicians actually do
He has demonstrably deconstructed the aid and intelligence network surrounding Ukraine. He quite literally halted aid in the lead up to a Russian offensive. He’s eased sanctions. You can easily find these real and tangible examples and contrast them with previous administrations and his own past actions. He doesn’t give two shits about supporting Ukraine with the exception of keeping a nominal threat around to line his pockets.
It’s not “BlueAnon” (whatever you imagine that is) to open your eyes and call a spade a spade. Nobody has been a more consistent political winner in the last 20 years than Russia. Putin has talked and written about his geopolitical strategy, it’s not a secret. Russia’s online propaganda proliferation is honed to a fine point; and you don’t even have to trust a filthy western government on that, just review the publicly available research yourself.
If you know anyone who lives/has lived in Eastern Europe they won’t hesitate to tell you their experience with Russia as a neighbor. Your picture of a poor, resource limited country is 100% accurate and completely in line with their expansionist ambitions. It’s why they’ve always maintained an outsized strategic focus on military strength and indirect subversion.
What do you mean by “copy and paste” arguments? My arguments are very consistent with other communist orgs… [pasted links and unexamined block quotes]
If you want to meaningfully engage with political reality outside of your echo chamber, you have to start by not dismissing everything you disagree with whole-cloth and realize that you are basically never exposed to online content with honest motives.
Look deeper and holistically at the platforms and people you engage with. For all of .ml’s criticism of wikipedia I never see any mention of the fact that all authors and edits can be explored, or that different language sources can be influenced in opposing directions (for example, compare Chinese to English on any article). For all of its flaws, it’s widely accessible to all actors and sees a ton of activity.
Conversely, why put so much faith in ProleWiki? The number of editors is tiny and their identities are entirely obscure. There are vanishingly few competing viewpoints to contrast and the density of citations is extremely sparse in comparison. Its closer in scale and content to a personal blog than an honest knowledge base.
I’d challenge you to read this leftist piece on Russia’s strategy from way back in 2015 (well before the term “Russian interference” had hit the mainstream) and contrast it with your usual sources.
Russian propaganda on social media during the 2022 invasion of Ukraine - EPJ Data Science
The Russian invasion of Ukraine in February 2022 was accompanied by practices of information warfare, yet existing evidence is largely anecdotal while large-scale empirical evidence is lacking. Here, we analyze the spread of pro-Russian support on social media. For this, we collected N = 349 , 455 $N = 349{,}455$ messages from Twitter with pro-Russian support. Our findings suggest that pro-Russian messages received ∼251,000 retweets and thereby reached around 14.4 million users. We further provide evidence that bots played a disproportionate role in the dissemination of pro-Russian messages and amplified its proliferation in early-stage diffusion. Countries that abstained from voting on the United Nations Resolution ES-11/1 such as India, South Africa, and Pakistan showed pronounced activity of bots. Overall, 20.28% of the spreaders are classified as bots, most of which were created at the beginning of the invasion. Together, our findings suggest the presence of a large-scale Russian propaganda campaign on social media and highlight the new threats to society that originate from it. Our results also suggest that curbing bots may be an effective strategy to mitigate such campaigns.
Trump doesn’t care about Ukraine. The west doesn’t care. What they care about is cornering Russia if possible, and carving Ukraine out for resources. The sanctions backfired, and drew Russia closer to the PRC, weakening US influence. NATO weaponry does not have the productive capacity to field a long-term war, these rollbacks are due to failure in strategy, not Putin having some mastermind level control over the west.
As for Wikipedia, on political topics it is dominated by pro-NATO viewpoints. Prolewiki has fewer editors, but better sourcing, and as a communist I know their methodology is also better. If you have a reason to doubt them other than their size, then let me know, otherwise you’d doubt any book simply for having even fewer authors.
You’ve given me no reason to trust you, nor to read that particular blog. I’ve read many already from contrasting viewpoints, it’s unlikely one more is going to fundamentally flip my understanding.
Are you really citing those referendums? Putting aside the MANY criticisms of the methodology, there’s no referendum on earth that would legitimately get 85% turnout and 85% support without being supported by both sides.
Not reading the rest, because it is ludicrous to cite those referendum. And those blatantly fake referendums serve to de-legitimize Russia’s invasion almost as much as the hospitals they’ve bombed.
If you have evidence other than your personal doubts, let me see it. I don’t think it’s surprising that regions that are predominantly Russian ethnically, culturally, and linguistically, that were in a bloody decade long civil war, would vote to join Russia.
As I mentioned, I put aside the criticisms of methodology and just went wit the official claims of Russia.
Try reading this to get you started if common sense isn’t enough for you. If you still have issues, don’t come to me, do your own research because I can’t be bothered doing more than a wikipedia search for you.
I’ve read it already, but thanks. Again, I don’t find it surprising at all that a group of ethnic Russians that have been in a decade-long bloody civil war would vote to join Russia over staying at war with Kiev. Criticize my common sense all you want, I don’t take western claims at face value either.
I can’t be bothered doing more than a wikipedia search
Liberals in a nut shell
Sorry you got censored.