redrevjoseRussia will use nuclear weapons in response to attacks deep into the country — deputy Kolesnik
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Go.fuck.yourself.russia
yeyeye orrrrr the US empire could end it’s proxy war and NATO colonialism!
Russia is literally a colonial power. NATO is a defensive alliance of countries that don’t want to be gobbled up by the Russian empire.
AntiOutsideAktionName a Russian colony
BizzleChechnya… Georgia… Azerbaijan…
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆You manged to name a Turkish colony there, have a gold star for trying.
Cowbee [he/they]Russia has no colonies. As the USSR, it was an anti-imperialist and anti-colonial force. After its dissolution, the economy imploded and is still recovering. It has had no opportunity to gain colonies like it had under the Tsar, even if they wanted to.
NATO started as an anti-communist alliance, with terrorist operations like Operation Gladio. Now, it maintains its status as the strongest alliance of imperialist countries on the planet. It’s as “defensive” as the Israeli “Defense” Force is.
AnUnusualRelicRussia has no colonies. As the USSR, it was an anti-imperialist and anti-colonial force.
Entire eastern Europe: *cough* *cough*
The SSRs were not colonies, they were a part of the broad USSR as a socialist economy.
Of course they were.
Yes, they were not colonies and were indeed parts of the broad socialist economy.
How much they paying you over there bro?
I’m a communist for free, I don’t get paid to be a Marxist-Leninist. In fact, I pay dues.
So you are even crazier than I thought! Cool 👌
Nice bit of ableism, combined with anti-communism.
Yes, I’m
Anti-communist. Most sane people are 🤯
Relying on ableism to make a point is bigoted, for starters, and secondly, with capitalism on the decline everywhere and socialism on the rise, why would it make sense to bat for the dying system and not the one that has served the people the best and presents an alternative to imperialism and genocide?
What do you disagree with? Specifically.
I don’t argue with crazy people that are government shills.
Nice bit of ableism and conspiracy theorism there, a classic duo!
Eat shit.
Anyone can accuse a country of imperialism. Ultimately, people argue over the definitions of imperialism, and those hostile to a country will cling to the accusations, regardless of merit. Russia does not meet the Marxist intetpretation of imperialism or neocolonialism, but that doesn’t stop the west from trying to pin that on them.
If you’re changing the goalposts here from imperialism to the ‘marxist interpretation of imperialism’ would you disagree that a key characteristics of marxist imperialism is monopolistic capitalism, or that imperialism arises from the concentration of economic power in the hands of powerful monopolies and cartels within capitalist nation, which Russia’s oligarchs is a prime example of?
I’m not changing the goalposts, the Marxist conception of imperialism originates mostly with Lenin’s advancements on Hobson. Those who wish to minimize and generalize imperialism erase its ties to monopoly capitalism, and make it about any kind of millitant action, which is a step backwards from even Hobson.
Either way, Russia does not have monopolies on a global scale. They are nationalist and deeply capitalist, but have an inwardly driven economy, not an outwardly driven one. If Russia had the ability to truly become a world monopolistic power, then it would be imperialist, but it lacks the financial capital to do so as well as the open countries to imperialize that aren’t already under the thumb of the west.
The US Empire, on the other hand, is a prime example of having monopolies on a global scale, and using its millitary to keep this going.
The Marxist interpretation of imperialism says imperialism arises from the concentration of economic power in the hands of powerful monopolies and cartels within the capitalist nation which is pretty clear that it isn’t talking about monopolies on a global scale.
Being nationalist and deeply capitalist in an inwardly driven economy seems to fall squarely into the definition making Russia an imperialist state by the marxist definition.
No, the monopoly stage of capitalism is a prerequisite for imperialism, not imperialism itself. Imperialism is economically compelled by reaching the monopoly stage, it arises from the conditions you set out but is not itself those conditions. A country cannot imperialize itself. I recommend reading at least the Prolewiki article on imperialism, but reading Lenin’s Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism is well worth it.
Even if Russia barely fails to meet your strict standards of marxist imperialism calling Russia an imperialist state isn’t incorrect though because the common definition of imperialism is a policy of extending a country’s power and influence through diplomacy or military force which can hardly be argued that Russia isn’t actively doing both of those things.
Russia doesn’t “barely” fail, it fails outright. It fails for similar reasons nationalist countries like Iran fail, or countries like Columbia. The definition you’re using is useless, as it applies to literally every country. It doesn’t examine why or how it arises, or how to stop it.
The definition I’m using is the commonly accepted one and language matters because how else are you supposed to communicate concepts?
The definition you used is applicable to literally every country on the planet. It isn’t useful, every country uses diplomacy, every country uses their millitary. It doesn’t matter how common it is, among those who seriously attempt to ubderstand imperialism, such a definition is far too oversimplified to be useful. You even tried to say a country could imperialize itself.
When did I say that?
I know you accused me of it but after reviewing our conversation I can confidently say I didn’t say that.
The Marxist interpretation of imperialism says imperialism arises from the concentration of economic power in the hands of powerful monopolies and cartels within the capitalist nation which is pretty clear that it isn’t talking about monopolies on a global scale.
Being nationalist and deeply capitalist in an inwardly driven economy seems to fall squarely into the definition making Russia an imperialist state by the marxist definition.
Russia is inwardly driven, it is blocked from becoming an empire by NATO and the west. By being inwardly driven and “imperialist,” by your claims, it would be imperializing itself.
Those weren’t my claims they were claims of yours I repeated because it proved my point that those claims proved it was an imperialistic state based on marxism’s definition of such.
I can see how that would get confusing though.
No, my claim is that even though the preconditions for imperialism are almost met for Russia, they don’t actually have the means or space to run an externally driven, imperialist economy.
Oh so the US and NATO started attacking Russia right?
queermunist she/herNATO destroyed Libya.
So what does that have to do with Russia?
Did Nato threaten to use nukes? No Nato also doesnt attack, its a defense pact, so stop spreading russian propaganda.
NATO destroyed Libya and Yugoslavia, it’s as much a “defensive” pact as the Israeli “Defense” Force is. And yes, NATO does threaten with nukes, that was the entire reason why the USSR sent Cuba nukes through project Anadyr, as a response to the Jupiter missiles stationed in Turkey and the overextension of NATO into East German territory. This practice hasn’t stopped, NATO encircles countries and threatens them with obliteration if they don’t capitulate and free up their markets for western plunder.
Yeye so.you spew a lot of shit good job.
This is about russia threatening the use of nuclear bombs im the ukraine conflict, be free to post links about whatever other issue you feel.
What “shit” did I spew? Which of these do you disagree with:
The west is imperialist
NATO destroyed Libya
NATO destroyed Yugoslavia
NATO placed the Jupiter missiles in Turkey and directly aimed them at the USSR, prompting the USSR to send nukes to Cuba
The IDF is an offensive force for settler-colonialism, not a defensive force
NATO over-extended into East German territory
NATO encircles countries to open them up for foreign plunder
All of these are well-established facts. In light of this, the Russian Federation is indeed under constant threat from NATO, a legacy of conflict that began in the Cold War against the Soviets and continues today against the RF. Russia’s survival as a country against NATO lies on nuclear deterrance, if they stop reminding NATO, then NATO will of course be more likely to cross red lines.
All of them are at least partially wrong.
Is russia trying to annex territory that doesnt belong to them right now or not? Yes or no answer please.
Let me know how the west is annexing other countries making them imperalist.
Nobody ever wanted or needed to attack Russia. Nato is not a country nor is it annexing territory nor is it forcing people to join it. That is straight up russian propaganda to supress the real problems within the country and to distract. You have a fucking monarch up there with more wealth than he would ever need and yet this guy decides to attack a country minding its own business.
Btw, Ukraine used to rely on nuclear deterrance but it was Russia (and not nato) attacking it after signing multiple deals that it wouldnt.
None of them are wrong at all, and you didn’t elaborate on any of that. The mere fact that you deny western imperialism is proof enough that you have a fundamentally lacking understanding of what’s going on in the world. Imperialism isn’t “annexation,” it’s a process of extraction and plunder. the West exports large amounts of financial capital to super-exploit for super-profits, and uses immense millitary force to protect that system. NATO is the means to protect this.
Same with you denying that the IDF is a terrorist army for settler-colonialism, this is pure Zionism. I only hope that you were speaking irrationally out of an emotional response and do not genuinely see the IOF as defensive.
As for Ukraine, it broke both Minsk agreements, admitted to never intending on following them, and continued slaughtering ethnic Russians in the Donbass region.
Oh shit i just saw i didnt block the shitty instance you are on. Fuck you and your russian propaganda shit.
Being rational, consistent, and a communist is “Russian propaganda shit?” Amazing. It’s funny how you just pretend that you didn’t notice the instance my account is with, which is the same as the community we are both on, so you can avoid grappling with the fact that you defended the IOF and minimized the impact of western imperialism.
NATO defensively destroyed Libya.
🤡
Libya, Russia, same thing so I definitely see the relevance
If you can’t see that nato always wants to genocide russians you are either very uninformed or ignore it intentionally
Libya was also a country outside the NATO bloc that was lead by a government that the West wanted gone. There are similarities.
Libya wasn’t the first time NATO destroyed a country either, they also destroyed Yugoslavia. It’s not a defensive alliance if it keeps attacking and destroying counties, whether or not you think it destroyed them for the Western imperial project.
The US and NATO are literally fighting a proxy war against Russia as we speak. This has been openly stated now by no lesser person than the US Secretary of State.
You comment on your post about how an imperialist colonizer who is attempting to annex their neighbor against their will is threatening to use nukes for the millionth time, which they got from that neighbor in exchange for promising not to invade them. Fuck of you imperialist lapdog goon.
The 4 oblasts, which is what Russia is trying to annex, voted to join Russia. The Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics (not socialist, despite the name) both requested Russia to come in and help them against Kiev’s shelling of them.
Russia has no colonies, not since the Tsar. As the USSR, it was anti-imperialist and anti-colonial, and as the modern Russian Federation, it is too poor to practice imperialism, it lacks the financial capital necessary to plunder the global south. The dissolution of the USSR was devatating for their economy, even though they are capitalist now and thus would logically benefit from imperialism, they can’t actually practice it as the western Empire is already set up and fully saturates the global south.
Try not to break your back bending over backwards that hard to justify Russian imperialism.
None of this is backbreaking, it’s well-established history even outlets like the New York Times were reporting on. Further, annexation isn’t imperialism by itself, the goal of the war isn’t plunder or expropriation of wealth, it’s to establish a buffer zone so the west can’t as easily invade by land. My stance is similar to communist orgs like PSL and FRSO. I’m a communist.
The gymnastics you’re displaying in avoiding the hard details of what’s going on, on the other hand, is more back breaking. Why are you batting so hard for the Banderites and the US Empire? Why not support the people of Donetsk and Luhansk?
PSL statement: NATO expansion must end to guarantee peace in Ukraine
The dramatic events in recent days demonstrates how the very existence of NATO poses a grave threat to peace around the world. The abolition of NATO would resolve the explosive tensions in Eastern Europe and represent a historic step towards world peace. #antiimperialism #antiwar #NATO
You mean the little green men?
…what? Are you genuinely implying that everyone in the Donbass region is a disguised Russian soldier?
Are you seriously standing with Russian capital and oligarchs over the working people of Ukraine? Based on your above comments you don’t seem to have a problem with the USSR using military occupation to stop satellite states from leaving their orbit. Surprise surprise, you suddenly oppose it when anyone other than Russia does it. In any event, nobody except Russia considers those referenda results even remotely credible. You’re just another pro-imperial campist.
Extreme western chauvanism coming from you. I am standing with the people of the Donbass region, who saw the president they supported, Yanukovych, ousted in a western-backed coup justified by a Banderite false-flag massacre. I stand with the working class of Ukraine that increasingly opposes this war.
I stand against the Banderites that violently overtook the Ukrainian government and turned it into a far-right gangster state, where even Ukrainian allies are reporting about their immense corruption even during wartime. I oppose NATO, and the US Empire using Ukraine as a proxy to deal as much damage to Russia as possible while carving Ukraine out for resources.
The SSRs and SFSRs overwhelmingly supported remaining in the USSR. There were nationalist and fascist movements in some of these SSRs and SFSRs, including the Banderite OUN in Ukraine that collaborated with the Nazis, and I oppose those anticommunist, often antisemitic movements. At the same time, if a nation decides to secede due to a far-right nationalist group coming to power, and is therefore the target of state violence, then I support them.
It isn’t just Russia that supports the Donbass region and their referenda, it’s widespread across the global south. From Cuba to the Sahel States to Venezuela, Belarus, Iran, the PRC, India, Mali, the DPRK, Eritrea, etc. You have an extremely western viewpoint. I’m not a “pro-imperial campist,” I’m a dues-paying communist, and I hold views dominant among communists and anti-imperialists.
establish a buffer zone so the west can’t as easily invade by land
Lolwut. The same west who’s sole military arm is currently licking Putin’s boots? Seems to me Russia had a much simpler and easier strategy if that’s all they wanted: bide their time and not get involved with any foreign military actions.
America seems to be collapsing (with or without their interference) and Europe wouldn’t have any public support for militarization without Putin rolling tanks around and brandishing nukes. NATO could have easily dissolved without doing anything in a decade or two, it was already starting to be viewed as a Cold War relic in the west.
You’re saying it’s logical to risk all of that just to help some poor, needy rebels? They need to defend themselves by painting themselves as the largest active aggressor? That’s just straight up bad geopolitical strategy. The 'Merica-Bad goggles have really messed with your vision.