DavriellelounaThe right dominates the american social media ecosystem
Evil EdgelordWhere is Meidas Touch, literally the show that knocked Joe Rogan out of the number one spot?
Medium blue circle about 8 o'clock from Rogan. And they only took the number 1 spot on YouTube's podcast rankings. Rogan is still the top podcast on Spotify by far. Not sure about Apple podcasts
Social media was a mistake.
Social media is a tool that could just as easily be used for the betterment of humankind.
Sadly, that doesn’t make a few people lots and lots of money, so it doesn’t happen.
The D Quuuuuillevery technology has had positive and negative. some get weaponized by the powers that be more effectively before the people can ensure safeguards. even the wheel has been a tool of the oppressor while making our lives too comfortable. of late, the powers that be have gained more through technological advancement than the people. i want to see a world where we can invert some of this power stream. after all, it’s us, the people, who discovered these advancements, built these wonders, and now find ourselves increasingly imprisoned and controlled by violence
for muricans
Are you suggesting that the nearly instantaneous spread of mis/disinformation, the erosion of young peoples’ self esteem, or the damage to our attention spans is limited to people living in the United States?
no,I’m saying muricans. are mostly stupid and therefore MOSTLY susceptible
I see the same shit here in Germany. Not a US-exclusive problem.
Social media isn’t the problem Friendster used to exist and it was fine
The problem is putting the internet on a smartphone, because that meant that any idiot could get online now
And now the internet is 99.99% idiots
I honestly blame corporations rather than the availability to idiots.
Back in the Wild West internet days, things existed simply because people thought they were funny or hilarious, now things only exist if they garner some clout or can generate ad revenue. I don’t know how much of that is an inherently human trait, but I feel like society wasn’t so super-focused on personal success and self-image/confidence as it has been the past maybe 8 years. Or it was and I never noticed until then.
It’s availability mixed with profitability. It’s never just one single factor. If it was just availability that changed, it wouldn’t be as significant an issue as it is.
DaftyduxAnd its here to stay. The way kids are stuck on YouTube is like how old people are stuck on fox news.
I’ve thought about this a lot. There’s no end. If its not Facebook, YouTube, cable, etc. It will be something else. If only our daily lives where interesting in and of themselves. Escapism will always detach us from each other and we will flail on the wind forever.
Agriculture was a mistake.
“Mildly interesting” is not very close to my reaction to this at all, rather something closer to “particularly concerning”
It’s not like newspapers or television are much better. The oligarchs bought and control both of those outlets. Plenty of “opinion disguised as news” to go around these days.
It’s not like newspapers or television are much better. The oligarchs bought and control both of those outlets
You have plenty of non-profit newspapers. ProPublica. The Guardian. La Presse. Mediapart.
If someone on social media spreads total bullshit, what happens ? Nothing.
Thats not true. They become president.
You have plenty of non-profit newspapers. ProPublica. The Guardian. The Colorado Sun. The Salt Lake Tribune. Mother Jones. Le Devoir. La Presse. Mediapart
And how much of the market do these networks control? Just because there are non profits available doesn’t negate their claim.
Also, if a journalist writes total bullshit, they lose their job. It’s career suicide. Their articles follow them for their entire career. So they have to be careful.
Depending on what network they are submitting their work to… It’s not like “journalists” on Fox News are being shamed for submitting fake stories.
Also, if a journalist writes total bullshit, they lose their job. It’s career suicide. Their articles follow them for their entire career.
WMDs in Iraq
We need to do better in supporting independent journalism, and journalism in general. Replacing perhaps slightly biased newspapers with influencers is not a good solution… just makes it a million times worse. False information can spread so easily nowadays because influencers don’t even bother checking anything, let alone asking experts. A lot of influencers also blatantly pander to their audience.
The act of reading highly factual, if biased and not independent, still cultivates thinking for one self. Listening to these influencers doesn’t, to the same degree.
The left has a communication problem, all around the world. Right/conservative types seem very good at breaking their ideas down to very simple messages, and progressive types just don’t seem to be able to communicate in that way.
Well, that is easier to do when their news dont need to follow reality, and their solutions don’t need to work or make sense
The right do a lot of culture war bullshit. Left wingers will need to be on the defensive constantly because too many people listen to right wing talking bs.
Well, the truth itself has a communicability problem whensoever it doesn’t amount to a very simple message.
Why have things seemed to be getting worse for you despite you working hard and doing everything you were told you were supposed to do?
It takes about half a second to say “flavor of the year minority group is attacking your freedoms!”.
Now if you actually care about the truth? Is there something as simple to present?
60+ years of conservative polcies have removed social safety nets, supressed wages, irresponsibly deregulated key industries, and funneled money to the ultra rich. These policies are largely responsible for the decline of the middle class, lack of accessible medical care, and decline if upward economic mobility. In this essay we will only be reviewing the 5,897 polcies enacted since George H. W. Bush that have directly affected these key socioeconomic systems for the middle and working class…
Yeah that doesn’t quite have the same ring to it as “brown people did it” does it?
Is there something as simple to present?
Yes? "Rich people are robbing you blind" takes about as long to say. It's just that liberals don't like this message and the left is hesitant to break with them, so you end up in a weird limbo where the left's most important message is suppressed rather than blasted 24/7.
Yeah, now we’re talking.
It’s not a communication problem, it’s a money problem. The wealthy have an incentive to fund the right, not the left.
That’s not the entire story, you even see it in the far left commenters here, they’re notorious for writing an essay in response to a relatively short comment.
Money can be used to buy a lot of marketers, sloganeers, and focus testers. When you’re trying to craft an effective way to deliver your message, it helps to be able to hire buildings full of professional spin doctors.
Endymion_MallornI find it interesting - and a little concerning - that there are so many more right-leaning voices than left. I have to ask a simple question - why has the left not produced more strident voices and more people able to make popular content?
The left doesn’t need their opinions constantly validated by personalities. The left enjoys (and understands) satire more. Voices like Colbert, and Jon Stewart, and John Oliver.
There’s probably some truth to this, but it also leans into the “MSM is lying to you” narrative that’s pervasive in far right (and far left) circles. A production with [the appearance of] a low budget is associated with “genuineness” by most people. You can’t be paid off by the big corpos if you’re doing it out of the goodness of your heart…or so the reasoning goes.
I frequently see people on the left commenting “I don’t recognize this as a trusted source.” Or “Is this just someone’s blog?” Or, “I’m not seeing this published anywhere else.”
There is a lot of astroturfing, garbage, and propaganda that gets published online and on TV. I wish people would look into things more before believing everything they see on tv or read. People’s critical reading skills have definitely gone out the window, and it is totally being taken advantage of.
It’s not just politics either. Lots of fake product reviews, medical misinformation, etc. constantly showing up in search results, YouTube ads, TikTok videos, etc. And influencers are just the new “As Seen On TV” pitchmen of this century.
You don’t see Colbert or Stewart, or Oliver trying to sell you timeshares, or snake oil, or get rich quick schemes. Quite the opposite.
that sounds alot more like right wingers pretending to be on the left, to stok anger division, i dont pay attention to those posts.
ArtisianAre my eyes failing me, or are they not in the chart?
Having a hard time pre-deciding who and what content I think should appear in such a chart. Vlog brothers? e-newspapers?
Josh Jonson Taylor Tomlinson hell 60% of the standup comedians easily. The picture would be much different with them in. Colbert alone would blow rogan out the water.
In that case, I think this chart is probably saying more about what kinds of media people with different leanings consume, not so much about deep pockets or a generational shift.
Late Night with Colbert had an average of 2.42mil viewers through Q2.
Joe Rogan, for comparison, boasts 11mil listeners per episode.
So he’d probably be somewhere between MeidasTouch and The Breakfast Club.
I am guessing here, but right wing shows seem to have more finances. They are run by wealthy people, playing power games, who have sociopathic motivations.
Left wing shows are more run on a minimal budget, more for selfless reasons, by people who have a day job too.
I’m left learning, however the only time I’ve watched Brian Taylor Cohen or Midastouch was because I got click-bated into watching what became a hyperbolic video subject.
After the first 5 minutes, when the facts become opinions, I immediately switch off. I simply hate fake shit.
those are what you call RESISTANCE grifters, they depend on outrage or clickbait and pretending that they are exposing something against or criticizing the right, but offer no real solution. I get enough fill on them from reddit posts of thier SC posts, so i dont watch thier actual videos.
BurgerBaronI mean personally my beliefs are really straight forward. I don't need influencers it's only complicated when you're internally dishonest and insecure.
Because most of these people make cheap potshots, even the ones with evidence to back themselves up. Just look at John Stewart, he can be incredibly insightful… but the majority of his comments during interviews are sarcastic cracks about how things aren’t working as they should be.
The basis of a lot of left-leaning philosophies are abstract and complicated. That makes it hard to sum them up in convenient sound bites that are easy for mass audiences to consume. It also means that it can be very fractious, as the complicated nature of these philosophies lead to a wide variety of nearly-the-same-but-not-quite conclusions. Considering the very black and white, good versus bad, mentality that has been most prevalent at least since the WWII (if not earlier), this generally leads to people being unwilling to work with people whom they agree with 95% of the time… and that last 5% ends up being the most important to them.
Voices need an audience and leftists are shit at organizing right now
Plus what are they going to campaign on? Even more corporate welfare?
The left had a ton of progressive voices and the DNC spends a fucktonne of money making sure they never ever get an audience.
Bernie would have saved us from Trump twice and the DNC shitcanned him for fear of losing their corporate gravy train
Because the left doesn’t have oligarchs with functionally infinite money funding them.
Before online influencers, it was AM radio.
Which only reached middle aged and older men who drove a lot
You know some people really show their age when they talk about the past…
Their were just as many radios as we have TVs now back in the day
CatoblepasYeah, but the target audience for those was people (mostly men) who had long commutes or drove for a living. I don’t think I ever knew someone to leave it on in their house, it was always something to listen to in the car. I’m sure some people did but I don’t think it was typical. If you’re in the house after 2000, Fox News is your steady drip of brain rot.
Thank you for agreeing with my point. No one ever listened to AM radio at home. I don’t get why this perspective seems so controversial here after having living through it and observing this
I submit that there are more radios than cable tvs now. Radio is still going strong. The radio shows are just as dangerous as ever.
possibly more dangerous because they’re what you turn to when you’re really out there. out where spotify doesn’t reach but you still don’t want to be alone with your thoughts. it’s like how it’s important to pay attention to what’s in the walmart discount dvd bin. for a lot of people that is what they have access to because no one else makes themselves available. having infinite connectivity has isolated us more than it connects us.
even now, i’m guilty of this. i’m outside. a honey bee polinates a sunflower. do i talk to anyone here? no they’re all busy with their own conversations and i’m just waiting for a phone call. so i let these cracks in this fractured reality remain as i go online and simulate connection with all those who see this text.
in that experiment with the baby monkey, the wire momma with the milk, and the terry cloth momma with the heater, we are all the baby monkey clinging to the falsified social experience while missing out on the nutrients we need.
the powers that be know this and manipulate it
They didn’t say back in the day, though, they said before online influencers. Which would be, at most, the mid-nineties. Realistically late aughts to early 10s.
How many people, realistically, got their news from AM radio after the advent of television but before the advent of online influencers?
Tens of millions of people did.
There was a time when Rush Limbaugh was one of the most politically influential voices in the country.
Not to mention the huge number of evangelical propaganda AM stations.
I think it’s safe to say that telecom deregulation and the subsequent AM radio boom is one of the core reasons why American adults above 50 are rightwing/fascist.
Being someone from back in the day, yes, I remember. And back then the dominant demographic who tuned in to AM talk radio like Rush Limbaugh were white men driving for work.
General “centrist” unbiased news coverage tends not to affirm right-wing beliefs so they have to retreat into fringe independent media.
“Centrist” media tends to affirm things like the results of good science and vague inclusion, so liberals are happy to listen to it. It’s only self-described socialists or other “far left” euphemisms that recognize the deference to capitalism as problematic.