Kamala Harris says she doesn’t plan to return to ‘broken’ system of US politics

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Kamala Harris says she doesn’t plan to return to ‘broken’ system of US politics - Lemmy

Kamala Harris has said that she currently has no desire to re-enter “the system” of American politics because it is “broken”. On Thursday night the Democratic party’s defeated presidential nominee, who replaced Joe Biden late in the 2024 campaign after he dropped his re-election bid, gave her first interview since losing the election to Donald Trump, talking to Stephen Colbert on The Late Show. After she announced she will not run for the governorship of California just a day earlier, Harris told the TV show that it was about something more “basic” than whether she wanted to run for something else instead – with the subtext being whether she will attempt a White House run again in 2028.

Good point. Let’s do nothing.
Kamala dropping out is a big step.
Agreed, that way the Ds can’t run her again. Because they absolutely would.

It seems Democrats are finally coming to terms with the fact that they need to appeal to people if they want to win their votes.

Or more accurately, make people believe like they care. Because they are still working against Mamdani and other progressives in full force.

Not gonna lie, you had me on the first part. I was going to ask for a source based on exactly what you mentioned in the second. They only want to give the illusion of listening to the working class, so they can maintain the status quo.

It seems Democrats are finally coming to terms with the fact that they need to appeal to people if they want to win their votes.

They did over 6 months ago when they stopped electing neoliberals for DNC chair, and elected the head of Minnesota’s Working Families Party to DNC chair…

Because they are still working against Mamdani and other progressives in full force.

A new DNC chair who is excited about Mamdani, and wants to take his strategy because that’s what Dem voters want:

Well, first, it was a brilliant campaign. And there’s a lot of lessons.

One is, he campaigned for something. And this is a critical piece. We can’t just be in a perpetual state of resisting Donald Trump. Of course, we have to resist Donald Trump. There’s no doubt about it for all the reasons we just talked about. But we also have to give people a sense of what we’re for, what the Democratic Party is fighting for, and what we would do if they put us back in power.

And that’s really critical. And I think that’s one of the lessons from Mamdani’s campaign, is that he focused on affordability. He focused on a message that was resonant with voters, and he campaigned for something, not against other people or against other things. He campaigned on a vision of how he was going to make New York City a better place to live.

I think that’s one of the lessons. The other lessons, of course, is the tactics he used to get his message out, both a very aggressive in-person campaigning, meeting voters where they’re at, and then also in those digital spaces, using very creative messaging to cut through the noise and to get to voters in an inexpensive but authentic way.

There’s a lot to learn from that campaign, and I’m excited to learn more.

pbs.org/…/dnc-chair-on-the-path-to-winning-back-v…

DNC chair on the path to winning back voters and lessons Democrats can learn from Mamdani

Democratic Party officials are looking at the Big Beautiful Bill as a political gift and hoping voters view cuts to social spending negatively. But the party faces challenges ahead of the midterms, including a Republican trifecta and a base questioning if party leadership is doing enough to challenge President Trump. Amna Nawaz discussed where the party goes next with DNC Chair Ken Martin.

PBS News

Pass

So…

Two days after 10/7 he said a slogan was problematic because it could be interpreted as a call for genocide…

And then on Thanksgiving he thanked Biden for working on expanding aid to Israel and facilitating release of prisoners? (Which reads like a bit of a jab towards Biden honestly)

I dont understand the single word you put with that

Did you mean “pass” as he “passes” your standards?

Or you think those two tweets from 2 years ago mean you won’t support the Dem party?

Because if so, Im really curious who you support. For pretty much any position anywhere.

Weird how he attacked Democratic Socialists of America while doing that.

Mamdani is a member of DSA by the way.

Attacked?

If he attacked anything it was the phrase. But very few social media disagreements count as “attacks”.

But he definitely did attack “DSA twin cities”

twincitiesdsa.org/steering-committee/

An organization so professional they don’t even disclose their leaderships last names btw.

But like, you think him disagreeing with the phrasing of one tweet made by one member of a city chapter of a nationwide organization is an “attack” on the entire national organization?

You…

You insist any member of the party never questions the party?

Not just the party, they can’t question any other member?

If anyone disagrees, are you going to label them a “suppressive person” for life?

Cuz uh…

Steering Committee

To reach the entire steering committee, please email [email protected]. Chapter co-chairs ([email protected]): Brooke B. Revmira B. Treasurer: Kevin M. ([email protected])…

Twin Cities DSA

Yes he called DSA extremists.

I recall you being a lot more progressive. Not sure what happened to you.

Yes he called DSA extremists.

He did not, he said it was a phrase used by extremists…

Here’s a hypothetical:

Let’s say I was born in 1988, and my ancestors were Swedish, something that is very important to my family.

So I make an account named “NorsePride88”…

I would absolutely appreciate someone pulling me aside and saying:

Some extremists use those phrasing to support shit I hope you don’t support.

I would not get defensive and claim I was “attacked”, I would thank someone for informing me that while I thought I was using as a benign phrase, a lot of people were going to assume I was intentionally using Nazi dog whistles.

I’m trying to help, this really just seems like miscommunication is the only issue here.

“The phrase is used by extremists.”

DSA used the phrase knowing very well what it means and knowing what they support. The DNC chair is concern trolling.

Imagine you make an account called “FreePalestine99”. Would you hope someone pulled you aside and said “Actually free Palestine is used by extremists”.

DSA used the phrase knowing very well what it means and knowing what they support

Bruh…

You keep saying DSA, when it’s a very very small chapter for the “Twin cities” which is a single metro area.

I don’t know if I’m doing a poor job of explaining the difference between the two or what.

I’m sorry I can’t help you with this, I legitimately thought that last reply had a chance tho.

I don’t think you even know what the DSA is. They pulled AOC’s endorsement because she kept voting to send weapons to Israel. www.nytimes.com/2024/…/aoc-dsa-endorsement.html
Ocasio-Cortez Loses the Democratic Socialists’ Endorsement Over Israel

The New York congresswoman was blamed for not being supportive enough of the Palestinian cause and efforts to end the war in Gaza.

The New York Times
Notably absent from the DNC chair’s comments are two big things Mamdani didn’t do, which centrist Democrats are doing in spades. Namely, throwing both Palestinians and trans folks under the bus. Mamdani showed that you don’t win power by betraying vulnerable minority groups. The DNC has to still learn that lesson.

He’s been chair for the ouster of David Hogg and the shameful behavior of the party he chairs toward Mamdani.

He’s not the savior you’re touting him as.

He’s not a savior because nobody is.

He is what we asked them to do. Put the chair of the working families party into leadership. Someone known for progressive, popular policies. The Dems didn’t go for the corporate shill.

Excoriate them for their stance on Gaza as you like, they deserve it. But you can’t say they are ignoring us completely.

Until the party changes, the party hasn’t changed.
As if there is a clear bright line and any progress before crossing that line is meaningless.

Oh cool. We’re gonna talk about how great incrementalism is.

For people who like the status quo. When the party quits ratfucking progressives, I’ll entertain the notion that it’s not complete dogshit all the time on purpose.

Good luck with that.
I know. The party’s isn’t going to stop ratfucking progressives because the party isn’t going to change.

Ken Martins first act as chair was to select slotkin for the state of the union rebuttal, a uber zionist pro big business freshman. Do you deny that?

Ken Martin is no change from the old DNC at all.

Almost like they barely try so they can benefit from Trumps tax breaks.
As much as I could care less for her, I do get it. It’s gotta be pretty hard knowing how much you’re hated by a lot of people, and there’s nothing you can do about it.

As much as I could care less for her

I could care so so much more about Kamala…

But I don’t see any reason to.

hated by a lot of people, and there’s nothing you can do about it.

She could absolutely do something about it.

She could retire and drop out of the public eye. That’s it, same thing Hillary could have done a decade ago.

If they every stopped writing books, giving interviews, going on TV, and all the other bullshit; the vast majority of Americans would just forget about them in a year or two.

They just can’t do that, they can’t stay out of the public eye.

It’s gotta be pretty hard knowing how much you’re hated by a lot of people, and there’s nothing you can do about it.

Oh, there was plenty she could have done about it. She chose to keep supporting the bidenyahu genocide.

I like when she was told of voting discrepancies but chose to ignore it and go home instead
She’s never polled well. Couldn’t even win a primary in her own state. This is like declining to attend a party you weren’t invited to where no one likes you.
Could not stand her nassally voice.
Single best decision she’s ever made.

Really curious how she can feel the system is broken, while doing absotuley nothing to ask for a recall to show how broken it is.

Like. You feel the system is broken and want to leave it? Cool. Maybe you could have publically pushed to show how broken it was when you had the power to do so?

Weren’t you the one running on a campaign to fix that brokeness? Was that just PR? Because it’s seems like Democrats are just speedruning what they do best: standing by and doing nothing as evil proliferates.

I’m glad she’s stepping down. But what a hypocritical way to do it. She should have gone out guns blazing, asking for a recount and pushing it to the Supreme court if necessary. We might have had a chance to avoid all this if she actually acted like the system was broken, instead of complaining about it now that she’s leaving it. Perfect opportunity to go out guns blazing, instead she’s on Colbert.

I swear every Democrat has a collapsible string where a spine should be.

When did she ever claim she intended to fix anything? She openly said she couldn’t think of anything she’d do differently from Biden.

As the candidate who lost the election, she’s literally the only person who had the power to issue a recount.

She failed in that responsibility. Despite the 2016 election interference, and Jan 6th. Trump has never had a fair election, and she chose to ignore that in favor of respect?

Please. Respect is earned. Not given. Especially when the protection of our democracy comes with it.

Any reasonable, spine-having American would have challenged the results immediately rather that talk about how broken shit got because they failed in their ultimate responsibility as an American.

Why would they call for a recount? There was no reason to believe the results were inaccurate. After the election, her own staff admitted it was all a grift, and their internal polling never once showed her polling ahead of Trump.

m.economictimes.com/news/…/115781618.cms

us vice president kamala harris: Big revelation by Kamala Harris's advisers, say internal polling never showed the VP was ahead of Donald Trump - The Economic Times

Recently some senior advisers to Democratic Presidential candidate Kamala Harris made a pretty huge revelation where it was claimed that the internal polling inside the Democratic Party never ever showed US Vice President Kamala Harris ahead of Donald Trump.

Why would they call for a recount?

Reason 1: Trumps 2016 election interference Reason 2: Jan 6th Reason 3 - 37: Trumps 34 felonies for election interference

There has never been better reason to call for a recount during a US election. Ever. Any thought otherwise is irrational and dangerous to our democracy.

Especially considering Reagan won 16/18 swing states at the height of his popularity. And Trump just won a statistically impossible 18/18 swing states despite Covid ravaging his voter base?

I don’t give a single personal fuck about how Kamala was polling for the election.

I do however, give a massive fuck about her spinelessly ignoring her duty to challenge the outcome of this election. Without that challenge, we now have permantaly compromised presidential elections, and every branch of the government stacked with idiot sycophants unwilling to protect democratic law over Trumpian will.

The very security and trust of our elections are now permanantly shattered because Democrats wanted to protect decorum rather than fucking Democracy.

You Blue MAGA’s are just as unhinged as Red MAGA.

Lol. I vote Democrat. So I openly chastise the DNC for putting the Trump shotgun in the mouth of America and pulling the trigger. Now twice.

I also don’t consume corporate US media bullshit. So my thoughts are my own. Not some sorry ass talking point I heard elsewhere.

Apologies if you can only fit my words into the MAGA bucket of false dichotomy your perspective has been warped into. I was raised in a free country that encouraged holding those accountable to higher standards. So that’s what I’m doing. I don’t care how you want to categorize it. Shit doesn’t get better by pretending it works. It gets better when you point out how it doesn’t.

Letting an open Facist with 34 felonies steal an election for a third time isn’t going to look good in the future. As it already looks pretty bad now. So I’m not going to pretend that isn’t the case just because I vote Democrat.

The fact that you can only acknowledge the GOP being openly fascist, as the Democrats declare their support for ICE raids and genocide, is exactly why you’re Blue MAGA.

Lol. Categorize me anyway it makes you feel comfortable. In reality, there’s only one fascist party in office, and it ain’t the Dems. Sure the Dems put them there, and are literally the cowards I’ve been saying they are - but don’t contribute to malice what can easily be explained by stupid gullibility. Literally what I’ve been saying.

The last Biden term sure as shit looked nothing like this Trump term. Do you live in a fantasy world where that basic logical comparison doesn’t exist?

JFC it’s not like we have more than a 2 party system. So I’m not going to label the Dems fascist just because they are too stupid to recognize what that actually looks like. That’s you.

They’re all 80 and willing believe Microsoft wants their social security number when the caller is clearly from India. So of course some of them think the GOP are still interested in America over Trump. They’re just gullibly old, what’s your excuse?

Genocide apologist

Go ahead and explain that in a logical way and I’ll believe it. The elections over. Trump is going to bulldoze Gaza. And you want to judge me for not being critical of democrats enough? You are the apologist my dude.

Not me. Go bother an actual fascist if you are done picking on the spineless democrats.

If this was WW2 you’d be calling Americans genocide apologists as Germany performs the holocost.

Hold the genociders accountable, idiot. That’s how you stop the genocide.

But then there wouldn’t be anyone else for you to yell at as an apologist, so you’d have nothing to do.

I’ll keep fighting the actual genociders no matter what names you want to call me. Feel free to keep hating me for it in the meantime as you do nothing.

Wow. You really are a genocide supporter. And anti-immigration. You just want the Dems at the helm of it. Psychotic.

Lol. Great non-explanation.

You are literally Red hat MAGA. Because you blame Democrats for Trumps actions. You don’t like ICE. But only blame Dems for not stopping it, rather than MAGA for starting it. Same with genocide. Same with anything because you’re an idiot anti-american biggot.

Prove me wrong by telling me who to vote for in America to not be a genocide apologist. Who?

You’ll ignore this question because you’re a biggot.

Because there’s no right answer for you, just hate towards a group who isn’t actually committing genocide: Americans, rather than the Israelis who actually are.

Why aren’t you angry toward them? I guess you’re a worse apologist than me by your own idiot logic.

At least I’m willing to point that out.

And you’ve likely spent DAYS shitting on Americans who vote for any party, rather than hold any Israelis committing a genocide accountable at all for anything.

So I guess that makes you a genocide sympathizer. I’m sure you’d be all for the genocide of Americans right? Because you crave it. You want it. You love the fact that a genocide happening let’s you freely hate whoever you already don’t like so easily. Otherwise you’d be shitting on the people actually committing the genocide like I have.

So kindly, fuck off with your non-action cowardly performative bullshit. All you’re doing is helping people be angry at Americans, you ain’t doing fuck all to actually prevent Gazans from being killed. You’re just being a MAGA pussy stupidly stirring shit you don’t understand, likely because you ate the same propaganda they have and are too stupid to realize it.

No amount of walls of self righteous insults is going to distract people from the fact you’re a genocide denier
The genocide is happening in Israel, not America. I’m not denying anything. You’re the one calling Americans names to feel better. Why not the Israelis? Between the two of us - your anger isn’t at all going towards those committing genocide. Mine is.
“The genocide is happening in Poland, not Germany, therefore Hitler is innocent”
Thank you for showing your ass, and proving my point exactly. Completely unhinged.
The genocide is happening in Israel, not America. Why are you angry at an American if you care so much about holding those responsible?
Genocide denier
The genocide in Gaza is happening in Israel, not America last I checked.

"The genocide is happening in Poland, not Germany, last I checked!"

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BlueAnon
Do facts burn that smooth brain of yours so hard you can only see the world in blue and red? Grow up.
Democrats really are just the Republicans of ten years ago. So in this case: genocide denying conspiracy theorists.
Guess I’ll go vote MAGA since that’s the better choice? Seriously, you just enjoy being mad.