LadyButterfly she/herOff topic
ExcessShivBecause they insist on mixing the audio in a shitty way so unless you want to fiddle with the audio-level every 5 seconds or have your eardrums shattered by action/suspense-scenes, you can’t hear dialogue and need subs to understand what the fuck is going on…
Edit: and before people start saying “5.1 in stereo is the cause!1!!1!1”, no forcing stereo does absolutely nothing to alleviate this.
The ‘problem’ is dynamic range. They mix movies with a large dynamic range because explosions and shit are a lot louder than spoken words. You are supposed to have your eardrums shattered during action scenes. That’s hot it’s intended to be listened to.
Could they mix it differently? Sure, but that would mean that the people who want to watch it as intended can’t. There is also no reason to because you can simply adjust this during playback. Any half-decent A/V receiver will have an option for dynamic range compression. Just because you didn’t set up your surround sound system properly doesn’t mean the movie is badly mixed.
Another solution would be to add a second audio stream (2.1) and let the viewer choose how to watch their movie.
Do you also want to add different video streams for smaller TV’s ?
What you want is a made-for-TV adaptation of the same story, but that wouldn’t be the same movie. Watching a movie is an experience, and you simply cannot reproduce experience that on a small TV with 2.0 audio. Even if they did a 2.0 mix, you won’t get the same sense of awe that you get when you watch it in a theater. What is even the point of watching it if you cannot make you feel that?
They already include multiple audio streams for language selection. In fact, watching a movie in a different language than it was originally produced in doesn’t perfectly “reproduce the experience” either. Jokes get cut, names and acronyms change, and cultural references are either altered or become too foreign for the culture of the new audience to instantly recognize.
Offering a different experience of a movie isn’t unusual. Maybe I can’t understand a Miyazaki film to the extent that he fully intended, because I don’t understand Japanese. But that doesn’t mean there’s no point in watching it.
As well, some people don’t want to experience super loud explosions. They’re content not having that aspect of “the experience” for a variety of reasons. Some people have PTSD. Some people have irritable neighbors. Some people suffer from tinnitis and would appreciate not having the rest of the movie drowned out by a loud ringing inside their own heads.
In many ways, a stream without such dynamic noises provides accessibility to people who wouldn’t be able to enjoy the movie otherwise. You can still enjoy a movie however you want. The rest of us just want an option.
They already include multiple audio streams for language selection. In fact, watching a movie in a different language than it was originally produced in doesn’t perfectly “reproduce the experience” either. Jokes get cut, names and acronyms change, and cultural references are either altered or become too foreign for the culture of the new audience to instantly recognize.
Don’t me started on that one… it’s a fscking disgrace.
Oof, as an artist myself, I’d be understanding if somebody wanted to tweak something I made in order to make it more accessible.
But you know what? You do you, man. I can tell you’re a person with conviction, and though I disagree with your opinion, I respect your passion for art integrity.
it’s a fscking disgrace.
Please don’t provide alternate stream for censored cursing. It’s a disgrace. I want the same sense of awe awe that you get when I hear it in a theater. What is even the point of watching it if it cannot make me feel that?
Please don’t provide alternate stream for censored cursing.
Not censored, just nerd-humor that went over your head.
Watching a movie is an experience, and you simply cannot reproduce experience that on a small TV with 2.0 audio.
You heard it here guys, enjoying a movie on a normal TV or an iPad is simply wrong and you should feel bad for wanting to be able to understand the dialogue. I guess it makes sense that a BorgDrone would be intolerably inflexible and demand people conform to their unrealistic standards.
You heard it here guys, enjoying a movie on a normal TV or an iPad is simply wrong
It’s simply pointless. Like listening to music with your ears plugged. Why even bother watching a movie like that?
Because I can still enjoy it, regardless of what your standards are.
Doesn’t it bother you immensely that you’re getting a subpar experience? Even if you enjoy it, doesn’t just knowing it could be so much better suck all the enjoyment out of it?
No, not at all. I just want to watch a movie in bed on my tablet before bed.
But it sure sounds like it bothers you a lot.
This is what I can’t stand about you humans. This tendency to be okay with mediocrity.
Aren’t you the one who’s okay with audio mixing you need subtitles to understand?
You don’t need subtitles, you need a decent surround sound system.
Übercomplicatedyou humans
Errrrr. Are you not human? Has this all been a satire of rich obnoxious spoiled people who don’t even consider themselves human anymore? Are you Elon Musk?
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‘Being born on the wrong planet’ is a common analogy to explain how people like me (asperger or high-functioning autism as it’s called now) experience the world. We live on a planet with people who look like us, but who behave in strange, illogical, irrational and often creepy ways. It’s like living among a bunch of aliens. You people are seriously weird.
Yay, a fellow neurodivergent person. And yet both of us are still human. FYI, referring to yourself as non-human (indirectly) alienates you (a very fitting word here) from everyone reading your comment. Saying “[y]ou people are seriously weird” does as well. You had no way of knowing that I am not autistic. You were lucky; I am in the 99th percentile of dyslexics and not autistic at all (to my knowledge, though the conditions rarely come together). But that is a presumption you made nevertheless.
I’m saying this because you have explicitly mentioned being autistic, and I have many autistic friends who struggle to read social stuff: alienating yourself like that makes it seem like you think you are better than everyone else (which you may; I don’t know), which in turn makes you seem extremely arrogant. Keep in mind that you are only talking to people here through the lens of social media. You do not actually know any of us, and it is dangerous to judge people you do not know. Diplomacy in cases like this calls for decorum and decency: presume the best about people. Your comments make it seem as if this is not what you are doing.
Now that I know you are autistic, I see your comments in a different light. I will presume that you are not a spoiled rich person — which you very much seemed like due to the aforementioned reasons. But, presuming that you are not a sociopath, please keep in mind that other people around you are different and care about different things than you (maybe in part, though not necessarily, due to not being autistic). That doesn’t mean that they are invalid or should feel bad about having different priorities. Please respect that, and don’t fall into the “no one else understands” bubble, which I know all too well. (I, like probably you as well, did not have a good time in high school. Or really any school.) That bubble inevitably makes other people hate you and can thus also make your life rather unpleasant.
This may be unwelcome advice, but I urge you to think about how to discuss topics like this diplomatically, without offending or being overly harsh to people. You have made a few enemies with your comments (just look at the downvotes). That can be a burden.
Nah, most things in life don’t have to be either flawless or complete garbage with no in between. There’s plenty of movies and shows I watch for the writing or acting, and the sound is not going to make or break the experience. Being 100% unable to enjoy anything if it’s not absolutely perfect seems like a pretty bleak way to go through life, I try to find enjoyment where I can.
I’ve literally watched 2001: A Space Odyssey on the plain in mono because my seat’s audio was broken and I was trying to use my IEMs without an adapter. I had a great experience, in part because I love more about the movie than just the visual and auditory delivery. I like the story and philosophy as well.
You may not have enjoyed it in that setting, but please don’t gatekeep the experience. It’s also worth mentioning that a lot for movies are, unlike 2001, not art.
I had a great experience, in part because I love more about the movie than just the visual and auditory delivery. I like the story and philosophy as well.
A chain is a strong as its weakest link. You want to tick all boxes, not just half of them.
That is a non-answer. You argued that it is “simply pointless” to watch a movie in the same setting I did.
I disagree. I very much enjoyed the experience, ergo it was not pointless: it brought me pleasure.
I was just pointing out, that it is indeed possible for people (maybe not you, but other people) to enjoy movies without the luxuries that you afford yourself. You asked a question (“why even bother watching a movie like that”) and I answered.
I also ask that you take into consideration that not everyone can afford to watch a movie with the luxuries you describe. That is ok to. Please don’t gatekeep watching movies is all I ask.